[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, I think pretty much this for me also…Hallie is a trans woman, yes…but she’s also a young lady of 18 years old and being asked some very personal questions about her genitalia and trying to respond, which I think she also did very well….as much as it was natural for Farida to ask questions, it was also natural for Hallie to feel a bit upset or disappointed etc that to ask some of those questions, she was being considered as male…is I think how she was feeling…but herself being open about that with other housemates seemed to dissolve any upset very quickly….all in all a bit of a clumsy start and opening to a delicate subject….but all well intentioned from Farida and well responded to by Hallie….

Farida only asked her what was already discussed the other day , it was Hallie who first mentioned private bits and how she hasn't had the full surgery yet.

Remember when Kerry bluntly asked her "how much will it cost" , funny how Hallie wasn't offended by that question... after saying she wants a 'designer one' .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Farida only asked her what was already discussed the other day , it was Hallie who first mentioned private bits and how she hasn't had the full surgery yet.

Remember when Kerry bluntly asked her "how much will it cost" , funny how Hallie wasn't offended by that question... after saying she wants a 'designer one' .

…I think that it’s not a one size fits all thing, though…asking the cost of something, even something so intimate may have been quite blunt as you say, GH…but with Farida’s conversation, it was also that Hallie felt that she was being thought of as a male…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I think that it’s not a one size fits all thing, though…asking the cost of something, even something so intimate may have been quite blunt as you say, GH…but with Farida’s conversation, it was also that Hallie felt that she was being thought of as a male…

Kerry was like "how much for a new fanny " , not exactly delicate in how she said it.

As for Farida, well technically Hallie is a 'biological male', she might not like that but there's no getting away from that, and truth of the matter is ... there will be straight blokes out there that will not feel comfortable dating a trans woman .

But Farida never actually called her a man, and she respects her pronouns . It was more about the biological side of it and the fact she hasn't had the full surgery yet.

I just think people get too hyper sensitive these days, especially around this topic. I think the only reason Farida felt that confortable with approaching Hallie that way in front of everyone was because Hallie had already talked about it, and said she's an 'open book'.

Sure Farida could have had this conversion as a 1 to 1 in private, but i think Hallie would have still been offended. And I think Hallie is a bit passive aggressive with how she dropped Farida in it.

Farida's personality is strong and i think people are intimidated by it, but i don't think she ever means to offend. It's like with the whole salmon situation and the whole kitchen and announcing the meeting thing . I think she's just misunderstood.

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Kerry was like "how much for a new fanny " , not exactly delicate in how she said it.

For an NHS manager from Essex that seems about right. No beating about the bush...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Kerry was like "how much for a new fanny " , not exactly delicate in how she said it.

As for Farida, well technically Hallie is a 'biological male', she might not like that but there's no getting away from that, and truth of the matter is ... there will be straight blokes out there that will not feel comfortable dating a trans woman .

But Farida never actually called her a man, and she respects her pronouns . It was more about the biological side of it and the fact she hasn't had the full surgery yet.

I just think people get too hyper sensitive these days, especially around this topic. I think the only reason Farida felt that confortable with approaching Hallie that way in front of everyone was because Hallie had already talked about it, and said she's an 'open book'.

Sure Farida could have had this conversion as a 1 to 1 in private, but i think Hallie would have still been offended. And I think Hallie is a bit passive aggressive with how she dropped Farida in it.

Farida's personality is strong and i think people are intimidated by it, but i don't think she ever means to offend. It's like with the whole salmon situation and the whole kitchen and announcing the meeting thing . I think she's just misunderstood.

….there’s also I think, been a huge wave of negativity toward the trans community so I can understand some frustration at being thought of as male when she is in fact a trans female…and yes, she did say that she was open to questions, when she revealed it to the group, she said …if anyone has any questions, or something similar…it doesn’t mean though that she wasn’t unprepared though for the questions when they were posed with Farida…Hallie is only 18years old and beginning her adult life…and she’s obviously opening herself up to some very close public scrutiny….I didn’t find her passive aggressive at all, she may have been taken aback a bit …but she responded very well indeed…

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….there’s also I think, been a huge wave of negativity toward the trans community so I can understand some frustration at being thought of as male when she is in fact a trans female…and yes, she did say that she was open to questions, when she revealed it to the group, she said …if anyone has any questions, or something similar…it doesn’t mean though that she wasn’t unprepared though for the questions when they were posed with Farida…Hallie is only 18years old and beginning her adult life…and she’s obviously opening herself up to some very close public scrutiny….I didn’t find her passive aggressive at all, she may have been taken aback a bit …but she responded very well indeed…

Yeah I will agree Hallie's age plays a big part , like I said in the other thread ....it will be interesting to see what Hallie is like in 10 years or so , when she's had more experiences etc . After all She's still young ,and hasn't had many encounters under her belt .

I just wish things were less egg shelly, people have to realise Farida is from a different culture and background and entirely different age group. Even today's generation gets confused by stuff.

Farida has probably experienced all-sorts of prejudice when she was growing up, I think she just gets straight to the point. And you know something...if a housemate questioned her about her faith or background,I don't think she'd mind .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah I will agree Hallie's age plays a big part , like I said in the other thread ....it will be interesting to see what Hallie is like in 10 years or so , when she's had more experiences etc . After all She's still young ,and hasn't had many encounters under her belt .

I just wish things were less egg shelly, people have to realise Farida is from a different culture and background and entirely different age group. Even today's generation gets confused by stuff.

Farida has probably experienced all-sorts of prejudice when she was growing up, I think she just gets straight to the point. And you know something...if a housemate questioned her about her faith or background,I don't think she'd mind .

….yeah, Farida has said that she hasn’t in any way felt suppressed or restricted in her life by her faith/culture …which is also often the labels placed on Muslim females…isn’t it so bad that we’ve all become labels in society to a large extent…but it would be interesting to know the 18yr old Farida’s thoughts on many things and prejudices and obstacles etc she may have faced…in comparison to the Farida of now, eh….?…this is just the beginning for Hallie of a huge life path …atm she seems on a good and open course though to try to help understanding and dismiss prejudice and ignorance etc….

…anyway, must go…have a great day, GH…🩷