[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Because its not entirely Jordans fault....perhaps if the other two listened to what he has said and tried to understand he needs his own space sometimes then these situations wouldn't occur.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I like him.
Henry is obsessed with him.
Let the poor man breathe, he can't spend the whole time with you!

But, Vanessa, much as I like Jordan, you are refusing to accept that he created and encouraged this situation by leading on both Henry and Matty. His words and actions were contradictory, thereby sending out mixed messages to both.

You repeatedly blame both Matty and Henry for this situation, but Jordan is in his mid 20s and it is his emotional immaturity has caused it. He has to accept responsibility for that. And that doesn’t mean I don’t like Jordan, because I do.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Because its not entirely Jordans fault....perhaps if the other two listened to what he has said and tried to understand he needs his own space sometimes then these situations wouldn't occur.

Exactly,If he wants to be alone and not speak he should have that right as they all should, he told them more than once

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Garfie

But, Vanessa, much as I like Jordan, you are refusing to accept that he created and encouraged this situation by leading on both Henry and Matty. His words and actions were contradictory, thereby sending out mixed messages to both.

You repeatedly blame both Matty and Henry for this situation, but Jordan is in his mid 20s and it is his emotional immaturity has caused it. He has to accept responsibility for that. And that doesn’t mean I don’t like Jordan, because I do.

I just don't think it was all his fault.
He has asked both for space and they should have respected that.

[Liam-]

If Jordan had actually asked for space, I have no doubt Henry would have happily given it to him, but he didn’t, he moved Henry’s stuff out of his bed next to him and blanked him for nearly 2 days as punishment for daring to question him, then only after doing all that, did he say he needed space and say he was just testing Henry by completely blanking his existence, before jumping back into bed with him to cuddle and kiss him, he’s cruel and emotionally manipulative, this entire situation has been created by him and his desire for attention

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If Jordan had actually asked for space, I have no doubt Henry would have happily given it to him, but he didn’t, he moved Henry’s stuff out of his bed next to him and blanked him for nearly 2 days as punishment for daring to question him, then only after doing all that, did he say he needed space and say he was just testing Henry by completely blanking his existence, before jumping back into bed with him to cuddle and kiss him, he’s cruel and emotionally manipulative, this entire situation has been created by him and his desire for attention

Ok so he didn't go about in the right way and that's why he apologized.
But he just needed space.

[Liam-]

Then communicate that like an actual adult and don’t just throw your toys out of the pram and make people feel like dirt, he’s a lawyer, he’s an intelligent man, there is no way he didn’t know what he was doing and that he’s hurting people by behaving the way he does, there’s no reasonable excuse for it, he’s just a fake, nasty, selfish person

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Then communicate that like an actual adult and don’t just throw your toys out of the pram and make people feel like dirt, he’s a lawyer, he’s an intelligent man, there is no way he didn’t know what he was doing and that he’s hurting people by behaving the way he does, there’s no reasonable excuse for it, he’s just a fake, nasty, selfish person

I don't think he's nasty. He's just not good at communicating.
We have seen how lovely and supportive he is with Yinrun.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I just don't think it was all his fault.
He has asked both for space and they should have respected that.

No, I agree, Vanessa. It wasn’t all his fault, and I kind of think he does not fully understand or feel in control of his own emotions - or that he is afraid of his own feelings. However, he made himself central to this situation, and exacerbated it, because his words and actions did not match.

He, himself, needs to ensure that if says something verbally, he then matches that physically, To tell Matty he doesn’t want any physical, playful stuff, then chase him and and tickle him, is bound to confuse Matty, just as saying he doesn’t have romantic feelings for Henry and then to repeatedly kiss him on the lips, would confuse Henry. It’s leading them on, so he can’t then complain if they respond, because he had made it seem he wants more, even though he’s saying he doesn’t.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Garfie

No, I agree, Vanessa. It wasn’t all his fault, and I kind of think he does not fully understand or feel in control of his own emotions - or that he is afraid of his own feelings. However, he made himself central to this situation, and exacerbated it, because his words and actions did not match.

He, himself, needs to ensure that if says something verbally, he then matches that physically, To tell Matty he doesn’t want any physical, playful stuff, then chase him and and tickle him, is bound to confuse Matty, just as saying he doesn’t have romantic feelings for Henry and then to repeatedly kiss him on the lips, would confuse Henry. It’s leading them on, so he can’t then complain if they respond, because he had made it seem he wants more, even though he’s saying he doesn’t.

I think he's not good at communicating and he admitted that. Good that he apologized.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think he's not good at communicating and he admitted that. Good that he apologized.

I agree, Vanessa. I can respect anyone who apologises for their mistakes, and he also seemed to recognise and admit his own failings in doing so.

I just wish he’d get back to being that humorous, funny person with the great one-liners, which made him so appealing in his early weeks.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I agree, Vanessa. I can respect anyone who apologises for their mistakes, and he also seemed to recognise and admit his own failings in doing so.

I just wish he’d get back to being that humorous, funny person with the great one-liners, which made him so appealing in his early weeks.

I like him best with Henry. They really bounce off each other well.
Don't like Matty, so I'm happy he's staying away.

[Denver]

You can tell Jordans mom still wipes his arse

[Vanessa]

The thread is about his chances of winning. Stay on topic.

[Zizu]

He’s just an annoying irrelevance now .. I simply fast forwards when he’s on screen with Matty

Sad as he was my strong favourite for over two weeks


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[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He’s just an annoying irrelevance now .. I simply fast forwards when he’s on screen with Matty

Sad as he was my strong favourite for over two weeks


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He hasn't flirted with him in ages.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He hasn't flirted with him in ages.

This is true not seen him with Matty for a while , just the odd chat . I think some people just watch the edited main show, when we know on LF Jordan and Henry have lots of fun that is not shown BB seem to want to push Jordan's flawed side.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This is true not seen him with Matty for a while , just the odd chat . I think some people just watch the edited main show, when we know on LF Jordan and Henry have lots of fun that is not shown BB seem to want to push Jordan's flawed side.

I haven't seen him flirt with Matty.
We must be watching a different show

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jordan himself mentions "triangle" more than anyone......

As well as "husband"...

Originally Posted by Garfie

I have to agree with this. I’ve always been a Jordan fan, as I loved his humour, and he was my fave up until recently. Jordan has repeatedly flirted, teased and tempted both Henry and Matty, and then pulled back when they respond. He has stirred up feelings in them both, then has had them dangling on a string for too long now with his mixed messaging.

I could accept that as someone who was confused and scared of his own feelings. However, he made a definite choice when he decided to blank Henry for a day, and Matty for two days. That was emotionally immature, selfish and showed, at best, a total lack of awareness of his impact on the feelings of others and, at worst, a total disregard for them. At his age, he should know better than that.

I’d like to see him in the final but he is no longer a winner for me.

For someone who views their friendships as "low maintenance", he's certainly become very high maintenance. It's very one way my way or the highway.

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Because its not entirely Jordans fault....perhaps if the other two listened to what he has said and tried to understand he needs his own space sometimes then these situations wouldn't occur.

This is also true.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I haven't seen him flirt with Matty.
We must be watching a different show

Yeah you must be He flirted with Matty loads.

[Benjamin]

Tbf I think the whole love triangle thing was bad for all 3. All 3 being seen as more individuals last few nights has been much nicer.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Yeah you must be He flirted with Matty loads.

Not lately he hasn't

[Ray.]

The way those three should have resolved everything was...

I don't know if anyone here has seen Chasing Amy?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Yeah you must be He flirted with Matty loads.

"I like your eyes"

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The thread is about his chances of winning. Stay on topic.

I think he's fallen on his own sword as far as winning by this point. If anyone in the audience has assumed he's now unrequited with two HMs and either are their favorites, he's doomed. It's sad because I actually did like him more than I expected to based on his VT. He's in my top 3.

[Kazanne]

That's not flirting I myself said on here that Matty had lovely eyes it's an observation his eyes are hard to miss can people not compliment others now without they are flirting. Nothing wrong with liking someone anyway he said he found Matty interesting he couldn't pursue it even if he wanted to as Henry got upset so he backed off from Matty I see no problem maybe he could have handled it better but it seems OK now so hopefully they can get on with their time left