[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why is only showing "one side" a problem all of a sudden?

He just posts Tweets.
thats like LT


Admin asked LT to do
more on that

[Nicky91]

Hamas are evil


no one says otherwise though


defending palestinians isn't defending hamas



Hamas needs to be wiped out, but more like the correct way, the cleanest way without too much loss of innocent life


i can fully understand the criticism around Benjamin Netanyahu from the israeli people (but thankfully he'll only remain in power until Hamas are gone) maybe under a new government, things could change for the good in terms of israeli-palestinian relations

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Hamas are evil


no one says otherwise though


defending palestinians isn't defending hamas



Hamas needs to be wiped out, but more like the correct way, the cleanest way without too much loss of innocent life


i can fully understand the criticism around Benjamin Netanyahu from the israeli people (but thankfully he'll only remain in power until Hamas are gone) maybe under a new government, things could change for the good in terms of israeli-palestinian relations

That's the real crux of the issue. Putting aside the various reasons that terrorist organisations form and exist... it's hard to define Hamas as anything but a terrorist organisation. However, then remembering those reasons that terrorist organisations exist, it becomes ludicrous to accept that Israel's bombing campaign is an attempt to eradicate or even reduce terrorism: this sort of military action bolsters terrorist recruitment and increases the threat of terrorism. That is a simple fact.

Thus you immediately have to look for the simplest explanation: that they're using a "war on terror" to further other goals. In this case, the clear intent is to depopulate Gaza entirely. As I've said before, I dont think it's as "simple" as a religious genocide, it's not that they want to kill Muslims, they just want that land emptied. They do not care if the people there die, or simply leave, they just want them gone.

That sort of action - killing or displacing millions of civilians - is hard to justify, and thus there's been an absolutely massive propaganda campaign to create justification. It is ABUNDANTLY clear to anyone with any vague interest or knowledge of global politics or history, that the Israeli response to 7th Oct is at this point massively disproportionate. I find it odd that more people aren't asking themselves why.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

That's the real crux of the issue. Putting aside the various reasons that terrorist organisations form and exist... it's hard to define Hamas as anything but a terrorist organisation. However, then remembering those reasons that terrorist organisations exist, it becomes ludicrous to accept that Israel's bombing campaign is an attempt to eradicate or even reduce terrorism: this sort of military action bolsters terrorist recruitment and increases the threat of terrorism. That is a simple fact.

Thus you immediately have to look for the simplest explanation: that they're using a "war on terror" to further other goals. In this case, the clear intent is to depopulate Gaza entirely. As I've said before, I dont think it's as "simple" as a religious genocide, it's not that they want to kill Muslims, they just want that land emptied. They do not care if the people there die, or simply leave, they just want them gone.

That sort of action - killing or displacing millions of civilians - is hard to justify, and thus there's been an absolutely massive propaganda campaign to create justification. It is ABUNDANTLY clear to anyone with any vague interest or knowledge of global politics or history, that the Israeli response to 7th Oct is at this point massively disproportionate. I find it odd that more people aren't asking themselves why.

It reduces the direct threat to Israel from Hamas, which is here and now. So, obviously its different to what may happen in the future. Now, as we speak, the terrorist organisation want to wipe out Israel. Any action taken against them by Israel will reduce the threat

[arista]

Israel IDF
are going to Flood the Tunnels
killing all the Hamas in them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It reduces the direct threat to Israel from Hamas, which is here and now. So, obviously its different to what may happen in the future. Now, as we speak, the terrorist organisation want to wipe out Israel. Any action taken against them by Israel will reduce the threat

I disagree and the entire history of the effect of taking disproportionate conventional military action in response to terror attacks suggests otherwise as well. Did the US' "shock and awe" campaign reduce terrorism?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I disagree and the entire history of the effect of taking disproportionate conventional military action in response to terror attacks suggests otherwise as well. Did the US' "shock and awe" campaign reduce terrorism?

Your not listening to me. I am not talking about terrorism in 1, 5 or 10 years. I'm talking about now. Destroying hamas and its infrastructure removes the threat Hamas poses to Israel now. That is simply fact

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Your not listening to me. I am not talking about terrorism in 1, 5 or 10 years. I'm talking about now. Destroying hamas and its infrastructure removes the threat Hamas poses to Israel now. That is simply fact

Eliminating Hamas and allowing Palestine to hold legitimate elections, without interference from outside, would be the solution in a perfect world.

But people seeing attacks from outside, especially people who have been radicalised (brainwashed) from birth by everything and everyone around them, including the education system etc etc, is only going to radicalise them further.

[arista]

"hold legitimate elections"

Yes only if Hamas has gone from Gaza.

But many are saying that could take years?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

"hold legitimate elections"

Yes only if Hamas has gone from Gaza.

But many are saying that could take years?

And who's to say whatever took their place wouldn't be as bad? Getting rid of Hamas wouldn't de-programme their people.

But they should have the choice.

[arista]

IDF getting the Water Pumped into the Hamas tunnels





https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...umps-Gaza.html

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And who's to say whatever took their place wouldn't be as bad? Getting rid of Hamas wouldn't de-programme their people.

But they should have the choice.

Yes
that goes back to 9/11
When that Evil Terrorist group
beat America.

The Weapon of a Plane full of fuels

2 Rich Arabs took Flying lesson in Florida
all they leant was how to fly steady
not take off or land.

They paid, in full, so all was in order.
A report went to someone
in the FBI, who never followed it up.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Eliminating Hamas and allowing Palestine to hold legitimate elections, without interference from outside, would be the solution in a perfect world.

But people seeing attacks from outside, especially people who have been radicalised (brainwashed) from birth by everything and everyone around them, including the education system etc etc, is only going to radicalise them further.

They need to be eradicated and then we need troops from all over the world to stay and help rebuild and keep an eye on things. They still have people stationed in Germany and everything there has been stable for decades

[bots]

We used to have a UN peacekeeping force over there and all that happened was they got shot and blown up without taking any defensive action

[Liam-]

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We used to have a UN peacekeeping force over there and all that happened was they got shot and blown up without taking any defensive action

Killing peace keepers should be a war crime

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Killing peace keepers should be a war crime

Israel never commits war crimes though



more antisemitism in here

[Ninastar]

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that but ok cool I guess??

[Nicky91]

Youtube video

many hamas terrorists captured

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There’s a certain word for this.. but I can’t quite remember what they told us this entire thing wasn’t about

The word is Annexation. Which no-one would reasonably deny is what Israel wants to do with the Gaza Strip.

Were you thinking of another word?

[Nicky91]

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/12183...sefire-veto-un

The United States vetoed a resolution calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war at the United Nations Security Council on Friday.

The Security Council vote on the resolution, backed by Arab states, had 13 in favor and one — the U.S. — against, while the United Kingdom abstained.

After the vote, the U.S. deputy representative to the U.N., Robert Wood, said the resolution was rushed and ignored U.S. diplomatic efforts to get more aid into Gaza and free hostages taken by Hamas militants in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

"We propose language ... that would have reinforced the life-saving diplomacy we have undertaken since Oct. 7, increased opportunities for humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, encourage the release of hostages and the resumption of humanitarian pauses and laid a foundation for a durable peace," Wood said.

"Unfortunately, nearly all of our recommendations were ignored."

Arab countries urge the U.S. to push for a truce
Several foreign ministers of Arab countries that have been pushing for a cease-fire met U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken in Washington shortly after the U.S. veto.

While Blinken's aides say he wanted to talk about the future of Gaza, once Israel defeats Hamas, Jordan's foreign minister, Ayman Safadi, rejected that approach.

"Today's failure to support the call for a humanitarian cease-fire is an endorsement of further killing of Palestinians, further violations of international law, further commitment of war crimes," Safadi said.

"Israel is basically doing whatever it wants, in defiance even of its allies, creating a horrific situation in Gaza, and then wants us to come in and clean the mess. We will not do that."

He was joined by the foreign ministers of Qatar, Egypt and Saudi Arabia in calling for a cease-fire in Gaza.

The draft didn't condemn Hamas
Wood said the resolution's authors declined to condemn Hamas' Oct. 7 attack that killed 1,200 people, including women, children and elderly.

In response to the Hamas attack, Israel's two-month military campaign has killed more than 17,400 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, most of them women and children, according to the territory's Health Ministry, which does not differentiate between civilian and combatant casualties in its figures.

Wood added that the draft also "failed to acknowledge that Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorism."

Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Gilad Erdan thanked the U.S. "for standing firmly by our side."

Writing on X, formerly Twitter, he said: "A ceasefire will be possible only with the return of all the hostages and the destruction of Hamas."

The U.S. has previously vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution on similar grounds. Russia and China vetoed a U.S. resolution to condemn the Hamas attack, call for the release of hostages and allow aid into Gaza.

Earlier this week, U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres invoked a rarely used article of the U.N. Charter to urge the Security Council to "press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe" and pass a resolution for a "humanitarian cease-fire between Israel and Palestinian militants."

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The word is Annexation. Which no-one would reasonably deny is what Israel wants to do with the Gaza Strip.

Were you thinking of another word?

Annexation does not involve the removal of the current civilian population.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Annexation does not involve the removal of the current civilian population.

palestine isn't a country so they do not have own rights of that territory





that territory is rightfully israeli ground, but yeah first all palestinians have to go

[arista]

Look Nicky

Once HAMAS has gone

The IDF are out of there.

Some have put up a white flag,
and are now locked up.
Others are dead.