[Nicky91]

you cannot insult Levi, He is a POC

[Vanessa]

To be honest he's a complete borefest. Same as Fern. The only one I like in that older group is Louis.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He said after he was caught stealing by Police his father told the Police to lock him up rather than bailing him out

Sounds like he's not been a great father himself either. He has 8 children with 7 different women and some of them don't speak to him, if I had to guess I'd imagine he probably wasn't an involved father to most of them

It sounds like his Dad was trying to straighten him out at the time, but Levi will know better than me tbf.

And Levi thinks his that guy from Japan who had 30 odd kids.

And 7 different women? Does that mean he had long term relationships with all 7 of them at different points through his life?

[Mystic Mock]

Oh and thanks for the reply Niamh.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

you cannot insult Levi, He is a POC

You've never critiqued a piece of Cake before, Nicky?

[Zizu]

If the stories of him not providing for his children are correct then that is a problem for me ..just for starters .. then there’s the jail time ..


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I dont mind him but I know if it was a woman who had,had so many kids from different dads she would have been called all sorts plus whatever has gone on with 2 of his daughters must be a biggie for them not to want to speak to him,

The mother could have poisoned their minds against him from a young age.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The mother could have poisoned their minds against him from a young age.

There's 7 different mothers, so a few of them did or he was just a **** dad, which is more likely? hhhmmmm

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It sounds like his Dad was trying to straighten him out at the time, but Levi will know better than me tbf.

And Levi thinks his that guy from Japan who had 30 odd kids.

And 7 different women? Does that mean he had long term relationships with all 7 of them at different points through his life?

I'm guessing they weren't all long term relationships and yes I think his father probably was trying to straighten him out

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh and thanks for the reply Niamh.

[HettyLip]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

Nominated Zeezee for not forgiving Lauren but he never forgave his Father for something that happened about 50 years ago.

An inappropriate comparison, as the reason for the Lauren/Loudmouth tiff is known and well documented, whereas the reason for Levi's refusal to acknowledge his father is not. (at least not to me), which renders Levi immune to the charge of hypocrisy..

Zeze not forgiving Lauren in the context of their petty, inconsequential contretemps involving the etiquette of dicing oranges and reminiscing over the life and times of a fruit salad was the act of a petulant, deluded loudmouth. making a mountain out of a mole hill by playing the victim and touting for the approval of her peers, .

I have no idea why Levi has declined to forgive his father for an event that occurred a long time ago, but it is reasonable to assume that the cause was something more significant than a fruit salad disagreement. In the absence of details of the cause that alienated father from son, one may reasonably assume that it was much more than a petty quarrel.

Does anyone know why Levi disowned his father?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by HettyLip

An inappropriate comparison, as the reason for the Lauren/Loudmouth tiff is known and well documented, whereas the reason for Levi's refusal to acknowledge his father is not. (at least not to me), which renders Levi immune to the charge of hypocrisy..

Zeze not forgiving Lauren in the context of their petty, inconsequential contretemps involving the etiqutte of dicing oranges and reminiscing over the life and times of a fruit salad was the act of a petulant, deluded loudmouth. making a mountain out of a mole hill by playing the victim and touting for the approval of her peers, .

I have no idea why Levi has declined to forgive his father for an event that occurred a long time ago, but it is reasonable to assume that the cause was something more significant than a fruit salad disagreement. In the absence of details of the cause that alienated father from son, one may reasonably assume that it was much more than a petty quarrel.

Does anyone know why Levi disowned his father?

He told Sharon it was because when he was younger (I think he said 16ish but not sure exactly the age) he was arrested for burglary and his father refused to bail him out and told the Police to lock him up

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's 7 different mothers, so a few of them did or he was just a **** dad, which is more likely? hhhmmmm

It seems the fallouts were after he became successful, as his 2 estranged daughters describe him as a kind man before his success.

They probably didnt get the free handouts they wanted, he probably wanted them to make their own way in life. A bit like his father did with him. His kids sound bitter to
me now they are adults.

[HettyLip]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He told Sharon it was because when he was younger (I think he said 16ish but not sure exactly the age) he was arrested for burglary and his father refused to bail him out and told the Police to lock him up

Thank you, Niamh.

That's a tough one!

Did his father feel that Levi would benefit from suffering the consequences of his misdeed and, therefore, mend his ways, or was it an indication of his father's indifference to what fate held in store for young Levi in jail?
I suspect that most parents would wish to spare their offspring the ignominy of time in pokey.

Ultimately - right or wrong - the instinct of a parent is to protect their children, a protection that Levi not unreasonably took for granted from his father.
How devastated he must have been when it was withheld and he was deprived of the safety of the parental home. and sent to prison instead.
No wonder he harbours a grudge.

Should he relent after all this time? I don't know.
To arrive at a meaningful conclusion you really had to be there. - but I stand ready to be enlightened.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by HettyLip

Thank you, Niamh.

That's a tough one!

Did his father feel that Levi would benefit from suffering the consequences of his misdeed and, therefore, mend his ways, or was it an indication of his father's indifference to what fate held in store for young Levi in jail?
I suspect that most parents would wish to spare their offspring the ignominy of time in pokey.

Ultimately - right or wrong - the instinct of a parent is to protect their children, a protection that Levi not unreasonably took for granted from his father.
How devastated he must have been when it was withheld and he was deprived of the safety of the parental home. and sent to prison instead.
No wonder he harbours a grudge.

Should he relent after all this time? I don't know.
To arrive at a meaningful conclusion you really had to be there. - but I stand ready to be enlightened.

Well, I guess we're only getting one side of this story. Could be a case of his father having gone through a lot with a young and out of control Levi and thought maybe he needed some more serious consequences or it could be that he just didn't care about him. We'll probably never know the truth

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It seems the fallouts were after he became successful, as his 2 estranged daughters describe him as a kind man before his success.

They probably didnt get the free handouts they wanted, he probably wanted them to make their own way in life. A bit like his father did with him. His kids sound bitter to
me now they are adults.

The daughters said he never paid child support and Levi himself admits he wasn't a good dad to 7 of his 8 children

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm guessing they weren't all long term relationships and yes I think his father probably was trying to straighten him out

Interesting.

He must really like sex is all I will say.

[HettyLip]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, I guess we're only getting one side of this story. Could be a case of his father having gone through a lot with a young and out of control Levi and thought maybe he needed some more serious consequences or it could be that he just didn't care about him. We'll probably never know the truth

A perfect summary.
I couldn't agree more.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The daughters said he never paid child support and Levi himself admits he wasn't a good dad to 7 of his 8 children

There could be many reasons why there was no child support money (if its true) given.

[Ammi]

…a ‘tough love’, thing and philosophy by his father because he felt that the situation and act of Levi, himself …merited that type of extreme and that it may help to change a path that wasn’t good…?…and if continued, could impact his whole life in that course and path…?….but obviously, it sadly created a breakdown of their relationship and alienation also, even with Levi feeling that he couldn’t attend his dad’s funeral…?…but he wouldn’t be any type of hypocrite if he’s filled with regrets and sadness…that’s more like…‘don’t do/and forgive etc because it’s destructive and damaging….’…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The mother could have poisoned their minds against him from a young age.

Mothers ?


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[Ammi]

…all I’ve read about Levi’s childhood story is that he lived with his grandparents in Jamaica when very young, while his parents came to the U.K. to work and earn enough money to bring their children here to live with them… also and they worked very hard to do that…

[HettyLip]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…a ‘tough love’, thing and philosophy by his father because he felt that the situation and act of Levi, himself …merited that type of extreme and that it may help to change a path that wasn’t good…?…and if continued, could impact his whole life in that course and path…?….but obviously, it sadly created a breakdown of their relationship and alienation also, even with Levi feeling that he couldn’t attend his dad’s funeral…?…but he wouldn’t be any type of hypocrite if he’s filled with regrets and sadness…that’s more like…‘don’t do/and forgive etc because it’s destructive and damaging….’…

Interesting, but is it based on
first-hand knowledge or is it
speculation?
.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by HettyLip

Interesting, but is it based on
first-hand knowledge or is it
speculation?
.

…no, it’s more posing questions as I have/did…/…pondering, type thing…as I say, I know very little of Levi’s past or childhood …I don’t know what Levi’s life regrets are or might be so it’s difficult to call hypocrisy…for me, anyway…

[jones89]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

Nominated Zeezee for not forgiving Lauren but he never forgave his Father for something that happened about 50 years ago.

His father pretty much sent him to prison.. Lauren and Zeze argued about an orange.. that you can even put the two situations anywhere near eachother is funny

[UnicornCuppycake]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

Nominated Zeezee for not forgiving Lauren but he never forgave his Father for something that happened about 50 years ago.

Not really sure the two are comparable. An argument over fruit and someone basically helping send someone to prison.