[Liam-]

As long as you kill a couple terrorists, who cares how many innocent civillians and humanitarians are murdered eh?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As long as you kill a couple terrorists, who cares how many innocent civillians and humanitarians are murdered eh?

no.1 priority is getting rid of Hamas


once Hamas is gone, we can talk about sanctions against Netanyahu if they should jail him or not, and if so, how long the sentence should be

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no.1 priority is getting rid of Hamas

In that case, just carpet-bomb every inch where Hamas operatives are suspected of being, right?

Sure, some civilians and pesky aid workers might get killed. But as long as Hamas get got...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In that case, just carpet-bomb every inch where Hamas operatives are suspected of being, right?

Sure, some civilians and pesky aid workers might get killed. But as long as Hamas get got...

It worked for the allies in the last World War so...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It worked for the allies in the last World War so...

I do see your point there, but this isn't a World War yet.

Though comparing Hamas to the Nazis is far from unfair.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As long as you kill a couple terrorists, who cares how many innocent civillians and humanitarians are murdered eh?

That's a very strong statement and I agree with it totally.

I cannot now support Israel.
Listening to the parents of the Aid worker Jacob this morning was heartbreaking.
I'm ashamed now of my more support stance of Israel..

Those 2 lines from yourself are extremely strong and highly appropriate.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As long as you kill a couple terrorists, who cares how many innocent civillians and humanitarians are murdered eh?

Imagine if every time police knew that a murderer was hiding somewhere in a village... they just napalmed the whole village.

You'd have people on here saying "Well, there was a murderer in there, and they got him so... it was his fault for hiding in that innocent village".

Oh wait. No you wouldn't. And isn't that just the whole point...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Imagine if every time police knew that a murderer was hiding somewhere in a village... they just napalmed the whole village.

You'd have people on here saying "Well, there was a murderer in there, and they got him so... it was his fault for hiding in that innocent village".

Oh wait. No you wouldn't. And isn't that just the whole point...

yes the police doing local police work is the same as a war

what a scintillating analogy

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes the police doing local police work is the same as a war

what a scintillating analogy

I wonder if you just outright want me to say that you wouldn't find it acceptable if the civilians were white Judeo-Christians. I thought the analogy was more subtle but you're right it's clumsy. You don't care because they're Muslims.

[edit]Actually on even brief further consideration there's nothing wrong with the first analogy - the fact that they're not the same in practical or political terms has absolutely zero bearing on the moral hyporthetical being asked - is it morally justified to endanger/kill thousands of innocent civilians if it's a trade-off for removing dangerous individuals. If the answer to one is "yes" and the other is "no" then you're basing that assessment on "some other criteria" and not whether or not the act itself is morally abhorrent.

"But it's a waaar" is a lazy and meaningless deflection.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No matter how battered, bruised and bedevilled. The state of Israel has been a .
gift to the world, a light that mustn’t be extinguished.

[Parmy]

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger. Palestinians across the world march and protest weekly, while their kin get demolished. You dont see many ukranians doing that. Perhaps a braver sort than these cowardly hamas fearing saps that wander our streets betraying their countrymen with banners.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger. Palestinians across the world march and protest weekly, while their kin get demolished. You dont see many ukranians doing that. Perhaps a braver sort than these cowardly hamas fearing saps that wander our streets betraying their countrymen with banners.

Very few of the people out marching are Palestinian. What silliness.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Very few of the people out marching are Palestinian. What silliness.

You are clueless. Go knock yourself out with someone else.

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You are clueless. Go knock yourself out with someone else.

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How convincing. A really stellar argument there Parmy.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Let's say a load of Indians came in to a frontier town in the old usa and slaughtered and raped and kidnapped men women and children. What would happen?

Indians? Wouldn't Mexicans be a better comparison, i.e. a bordering country?

Originally Posted by parmnion

Hamas knew the score, hamas are to blame. Hamas put their fellow citizens in danger, hamas hide behind who they have put in danger.

Everyone knows Hamas are terrorists who see their civilians as nothing but shields. No-one's saying they're good guys.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

How convincing. A really stellar argument there Parmy.

Just because the virtual signalers have something new to signal virtually, it doesnt mean the marchers are NOT predominantly Palestinian in all the marches we've seen worldwide, which is what Isaid.

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[arista]

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?

[Nicky91]

another antisemitic idiot on social media

some people seriously have not learned from the past



i am sooooooooooooo making my own israeli flags for next month to wave in our living room, starting on May 4th with remembrance day with the 2 minutes of silence

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?

Joey
it would help if
The PM & David Cameron
held a joint conference.

They can work out together what to say.


And Allow Questions.

That would stop all this over-speculation.


The Now 6 Month Gaza War

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Joey
it would help if
The PM & David Cameron
held a joint conference.

They can work out together what to say.


And Allow Questions.

That would stop all this over-speculation.


The Now 6 Month Gaza War

I totally agree with every bit of that you've said there arista.

[arista]

A UK Military Ship from Cyrus is on its way
To the Port being built in Gaza

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cameron should tell that to Sunak.
Sunak said at the start that the UK stands with Israel ALWAYS.

That's like offering a blank cheque.

Sunak hasn't changed that statement so it seems the PM and Foreign Secretary aren't possibly in agreement so what is the position?

The thing is while Cameron was obviously also a big Tory arsehole, he was at least (until the Brexit error) a competent statesman. Sunak quite simply is not. He's just the latest spud in the bizarre Tory hot potato leadership saga.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great to hold a corner of a huge pro Israel flag at Ibrox today