[LeatherTrumpet]

Nearly 50 traumatised Israeli revellers have killed themselves since Nova
festival was attacked by Hamas on October 7 with others sectioned due to
psychiatric issues, survivor tells parliament


Guy Ben Shimon spoke at a hearing for a State Audit Commission on the
treatment of survivors, focusing on the alleged failures of Israeli state bodies to
look after the victims of the attack.

'Few people know, but there have been almost 50 suicides among the Nova
survivors,' he claimed. 'This number, which was true two months ago, may have
increased since.'



"Why should I constantly prove what I experienced?' said Na'ama Eitan,
another survivor of the attack. 'Why am I forced to go back to the details of what I experienced for them to believe me?'

She said that she took part in a study to monitor her health but now sleeps
just two hours a night.

'Each morning at seven o'clock, I relive the moments when I was hidden in
the bushes with the terrorists passing by me.

'I can no longer move on my own. I need to be constantly accompanied.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...october-7.html

[Ninastar]

Horrific.

But with the way things are going, it’s just gonna happen again. It’s just a matter of time

[bitontheslide]

it's not just that concert, it was what happened across the country on that day. I can't imagine the trauma that would leave you with

[Nicky91]

why?

when ur country is winning the war vs evil palestine

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

why?

when ur country is winning the war vs evil palestine

I imagine it may have to do with the murder, gang raping and psychological torture that people were put through

Could be wrong tho

[LeatherTrumpet]

The number is staggering

[Soldier Boy]

50 suicides? Out of 3000 attendees?

Unless there are some verifiable facts and figures on this, the gentleman is simply lying through his teeth/making up numbers on the spot. I'd have believed 5. 10 would be a push. 50 is a ludicrous claim.

I mean I don't want to be a denier too much but I think we also have to temper this with even the article not trying to claim that there are some actual stats and figures about this.

Come on now.

Thinking hats on people let's not be silly propagandists.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

'Few people know, but there have been almost 50 suicides among the Nova
survivors,' he claimed.

Source: "Some guy"

Evidence "Trust me bro"

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The number is staggering

Yes because it's an unfounded, unevidenced, and almost certainly bogus claim.

[LeatherTrumpet]

As many as 600,000 Israelis - of a population of around 9.3million - were awaiting psychological support since October 7, according to recent studies cited by i24.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

As many as 600,000 Israelis - of a population of around 9.3million - were awaiting psychological support since October 7, according to recent studies cited by i24.

I'd willingly believe that 50 Israelis have committed suicide since Oct 7 with the attack being one of the triggering factors, but that's not the claim being made - the claim is specifically that 50 of the < 3000 Nova festival survivors have committed suicide since October 7th.

It just ain't realistically true.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'd willingly believe that 50 Israelis have committed suicide since Oct 7 with the attack being one of the triggering factors, but that's not the claim being made - the claim is specifically that 50 of the < 3000 Nova festival survivors have committed suicide since October 7th.

It just ain't realistically true.

I must say the high number did stand out as high but it seems an odd thing to lie about?

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I must say the high number did stand out as high but it seems an odd thing to lie about?

I don't think he's "lying" per se it's not like he's a journalist or a politician or campaigner he's just a guy who was there, for obvious reasons knows how awful it was, wants to emphasise how bad it was and is just "saying stuff". Maybe has heard rumours of suicides and the number has been inflated "Chinese whispers" style. "Few people know this but..." suggests to me it's something he's been told by someone else.

[Ammi]

…I don’t know how accurate the figure of 50 is, I couldn’t possibly know and I think that’s possibly going to be very difficult to verify…but it is something that was testified in an official setting …’Ben Shimon, a survivor of the massacre, spoke on Tuesday at a Parliamentary hearing for a State Audit Commission on the treatment of the survivors of October 7.’



"Few people know, but there have been almost 50 suicides among the Nova survivors. This number, which was true two months ago, may have increased since," Ben Shimon said, emphasizing that many of his friends who escaped the massacre could not recover from what they had experienced.

"There are many survivors who had to be forcibly hospitalized due to their psychological state. My friends are not getting out of bed, neither am I," he described their condition since the October 7 attack.

"I am practically unable to do anything. I had to get a dog to help me survive in my daily life. The goal for all of us is to return to work and function normally, but we cannot do it without adequate help," Ben Shimon added.

The parliamentary hearing focused on alleged failures of the state bodies towards the survivors of October 7. There were complaints about the difficulties, notably bureaucratic, that the survivors faced in getting their post-traumatic stress disorder recognized, as well as in receiving the needed care.

"Why should I constantly prove what I experienced? Why am I forced to go back to the details of what I experienced for them to believe me?" Naama Eitan, another survivor of the music festival, asked during the hearing.

"I participated in a study that monitored my pulse and other parameters and revealed how bad my health is. I sleep on average two hours a night. Each morning at seven o'clock, I relive the moments when I was hidden in the bushes with terrorists passing by me. I can no longer move on my own, I need to be constantly accompanied," she described.

During the Hamas-led attack, 364 people were brutally murdered at the Nova Music Festival. According to recent studies, 600,000 Israelis were awaiting psychological support since October 7.



…I think what I personally would take from it is not what a number is ….(…because I have no way of knowing what that would be…)…but that it’s basically a cry for help…a plead for help in the mental healthcare that will continue for a long time to be needed but that sadly isn’t there at present…

[Ammi]

..the takeaway is that people are feeling horrendous emotional trauma and are feeling abandoned…and I hope this hearing and his words will change that …

[Nicky91]

this is not suicide, but these are also murdered by the palestinians then

[UserSince2005]

Evil Palestine will be held responsible for this. Justice is not even close to being done.