[Ammi]

Cars will beep, vibrate or slow down if drivers are speeding under new mandatory safety technology which comes into effect this summer.

From July 6, new vehicles sold in the European Union and Northern Ireland will be fitted with intelligent speed assistance (ISA) to prevent accidents.

Although the UK has opted out, meaning it will not be a requirement on British roads, the technology will still be installed in most cars, and drivers can choose to switch it off on a daily basis.

Steve Gooding, director of the RAC Foundation, an independent research organisation, told the Sunday Times: “I think many motorists will tire of switching off ISA and they will just learn to live with it.”

Mr Gooding said it would take autonomy away from drivers, with cars increasingly deciding what drivers can and can’t do, and said it was the beginning of the end of people choosing cars based on top speed.

ISA has a forward-facing camera that can recognise speed limit signs and is integrated with GPS mapping data so the car always knows what limit applies to its location.

When fitted, the technology will send a warning beep or the steering wheel will vibrate when drivers pass the speed limit. If the driver does not take action, the accelerator will ease up, reducing the speed to keep in line with the limit.

Manufacturers including Ford have been offering ISA as an option on new cars since 2015, and it has been mandatory on all new cars sold in Europe since 2022, but could be switched off.

The European Transport Safety Council said that while it took drivers a short time to adjust to the technology, the majority saw it as a positive step. It also helps drivers avoid speeding tickets.

Leeds University calculated that Britain could see up to 12 per cent reduction in injuries from road accidents, equating to thousands of people walking away from collisions unharmed or avoiding crashes altogether.

The European Transport Safety Council has also calculated it could reduce deaths by 20 per cent.

There are roughly 1,700 deaths on British roads annually, and the figures suggest that if the technology was adopted across the board in the UK it could save 340 lives.

Half of the 8,900-strong fleet of buses operated by Transport for London are already using it, as well as many haulage companies.

Britain’s Transport Research Laboratory (TRL), which helped develop ISA, predicts that 90 per cent of new cars sold in Britain will include ISA as standard.

Dr David Hynd, chief scientist at TRL said: “I personally choose to keep my ISA turned on in my car all the time. It stops me getting speeding fines. It saves me money on my fuel bill, which is always very welcome.

“But, best of all, it provides an extra set of eyes, which I find particularly helpful when I’m navigating new places, or the roads are busy. ISA gives me head space and that makes me a better driver.

“On a motorway, I use ISA in conjunction with cruise control, and have been pleasantly surprised by how much less tired I am after a long journey when using this system.”

TRL admits that sometimes the mapping data can take a while to update when a speed limit has changed, but says it still helps most of the time.

The AA said the technology could be “incredibly beneficial”, particularly when drivers are in urban areas and need to switch between changeable speed limits.



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[Ammi]

[bots]

my car has the speed limit technology at the moment. It's great if you are moving in and out of different speed zones regularly, but it also limits your capability to get out of problem situations with a quick burst of speed. On my car, if you whack down the accelerator it disengages the system, but it also means you take off like a rocket

[Zizu]

Slight tangent but I saw something on telly a while back .. that the speedometers in cars are set 3mph high so we drive slower


If you look at the speed on your mobile phone when you use it for directions it will be a few mph lower than the car speedometer !!


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[Niamh.]

Can't see this happening here, they make far too much money off the speeding fines

[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Slight tangent but I saw something on telly a while back .. that the speedometers in cars are set 3mph high so we drive slower


If you look at the speed on your mobile phone when you use it for directions it will be a few mph lower than the car speedometer !!


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they can be inaccurate by +- 10%, or at least that was the case in the past. So you would never get a ticket unless you were going more than 33mph or at the other end 77mph.

Speed measurement by gps is very inaccurate

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can be inaccurate by +- 10%, or at least that was the case in the past. So you would never get a ticket unless you were going more than 33mph or at the other end 77mph

They can be +10% they legally cannot be - any amount, so the margin or error is further into the "faster than you're actually going".

So if your speedometer says you're doing 70mph you're actually doing somewhere between 63mph and 70mph. If it says 77 you're doing somewhere between 70 and 77mph.

But, if it says 70mph you will never actually be OVER 70mph... always at exactly that speed or under.

All for fairly obvious reasons but because the tech can't be exact, it does in practice mean that you're always "really" going slightly slower than your car says you are.

[James]

This complicated tech is going to make cars more expensive and unaffordable.

[bots]

what they don't say is that you can't really apply the tech to cars with manual transmission

[James]

This was all the new regulations for vehicles that were introduced in 2022.



Making cars more expensive to buy, repair and insure.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by James

This complicated tech is going to make cars more expensive and unaffordable.

Car prices are what they are and new things have always come into the equation over time... I'm not sure many people are hankering for the days of care with no air-con, gas guzzling and spewing out lead fumes, that cut you clean in half if you crash at 70mph for example.

So it's not so much the cost of the car... it's the NUMBER of small fiddly little things that can go wrong, and the cost of repair when they do. So more that keeping and running a car will become more and more expensive.

I think I said in another thread - we had to get new tyre pressure sensors at the last MOT at a cost of £125... having non-fucntioning sensors was considered a fail. My last car didn't even HAVE tyre pressure sensors to be not working and that was totally fine . Make it make sense.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Car prices are what they are and new things have always come into the equation over time... I'm not sure many people are hankering for the days of care with no air-con, gas guzzling and spewing out lead fumes, that cut you clean in half if you crash at 70mph for example.

So it's not so much the cost of the car... it's the NUMBER of small fiddly little things that can go wrong, and the cost of repair when they do. So more that keeping and running a car will become more and more expensive.

I think I said in another thread - we had to get new tyre pressure sensors at the last MOT at a cost of £125... having non-fucntioning sensors was considered a fail. My last car didn't even HAVE tyre pressure sensors to be not working and that was totally fine . Make it make sense.

in my latest car service, the garage tried to charge me for additional work costing £400 that didn't need doing. I spoke directly with the mechanic and he told me the car didn't need any work doing at all

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in my latest car service, the garage tried to charge me for additional work costing £400 that didn't need doing. I spoke directly with the mechanic and he told me the car didn't need any work doing at all

I use the local garage with two brothers ..they do tiny 5 minute jobs for nowt .. totally trustworthy

I always felt the local Toyota garage was taking the pizz


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[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in my latest car service, the garage tried to charge me for additional work costing £400 that didn't need doing. I spoke directly with the mechanic and he told me the car didn't need any work doing at all

Nearly £1500 all in last month at MOT and to be fair some of it was actual essentials (three new tyres, both sets of brake pads and discs at the front). But brutal enough without nonsense like needless sensors getting replaced . I still reckon they invented the water pump issue that ended up costing nearly £700 but LT and Niamh say the timing belt probably needed done anyway so OH WELL .

Still well bitter about it.

"So after we did your water pump and timing belt we took it for a run and it was still overheating... so I flushed out this tiny little £25 drainage hose and it was all clogged up and now the car is running fine "

It was JUST THE LITTLE HOSE all along wasn't it! Bastards!

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I use the local garage with two brothers ..they do tiny 5 minute jobs for nowt .. totally trustworthy

I always felt the local Toyota garage was taking the pizz


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My sister is a Scottish Island Dweller and her mechanic operates out of a barn on his family farm, she gets all sorts of mates rates and small issues fixed for free. They even sorted an issue for us when we were over visiting (front passenger window was stuck all the way down - quite an adventure driving over the hills in high winds I have to say...) for £10.

You don't get friendly local service like that over in the big smoke on the mainland...

[James]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I use the local garage with two brothers ..they do tiny 5 minute jobs for nowt .. totally trustworthy

I always felt the local Toyota garage was taking the pizz


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When my battery was flat the local garage I asked started the car for free.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by James

When my battery was flat the local garage I asked started the car for free.

To be fair assuming the battery wasn't dead/damaged it would be a bit cheeky to ask for payment for that, they'll have a jump-starting device and it takes literally 30 seconds .

However for little inconveniences like that I actually do personally recommend at least the cheapest tier of AA membership, been a lifesaver a couple of times and when it's just something simple like needing a start or a flat tyre when you forgot to put the spare back in the boot ... they really are quite good and get to you pretty quick.

RAC on the other hand - USELESS...

[Oliver_W]

Tbh I'm an absolutely shyte driver, and I have a problem with the nerves in my leg to boot. So I'd love a car I could program to not exceed a certain limit if I floor it.

[James]

Originally Posted by Micky88

This advancement in automotive technology is a significant step towards safer roads. With new cars programmed to automatically adhere to speed limits starting this July, we can expect a reduction in accidents caused by speeding. This innovation not only prioritizes safety but also aligns with the broader goal of integrating smart features into vehicles to enhance overall driving experiences. Here's to a future where technology contributes to a safer and more efficient road environment.

What do you think about AI powered self-driving cars?

[James]

BBC report from 1970 on cost of owning a car. Worth watching for the polite negotiation near the start.

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

What do you think about AI powered self-driving cars?

James
I think that New poster could be a bot



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[Alf]

I'm not a driver, but you can still thank me for voting Brexit if you want?

F-ing tyrants

[James]

Originally Posted by arista

James
I think that New poster could be a bot



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Yes.

[bots]

A lot of the stuff they are adding to cars, does make it safer for the driver and other motorists an pedestrians.

For example, crash avoidance, lane assist, progressive cruise control are all great features. Things like a rear camera are cheap as chips and a great safety feature

I do like the ability to override them where necessary, but i do prefer to have them than not