[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by DemRed

And the result of the last video is this

Youtube video

That's just awful. I can never support Israel government after they've doing this. No way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If Hamas released the hostages you wouldn't have to

[Livia]

Babies have been starving to death in Yemen for ten years. Where's all the outrage at that? Israel's not involved, that's why.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If Hamas released the hostages you wouldn't have to

I don't think that would end the war. It's gone way beyond that, I'm thinking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think that would end the war. It's gone way beyond that, I'm thinking.

Nope

You do agree Palestine must release hostages immediately?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think that would end the war. It's gone way beyond that, I'm thinking.

I agree, for as long as Netanyahu remains PM with the extreme hard-line lot his survival in power relies on too.

I believe Netanyahu has his own agenda and it's NOT one of peace.

[Liam-]

Netenyahu has turned down multiple offers for the hostages to be released, anybody that still parrots the ‘if they released the hostages’ line is so obviously lying to themselves and others, it’s not about the hostages, never has been

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Indoctrinating their children with hatred, shameful

They put bouncy castles up for the kids and throw parties blocking the entrance to Gaza. They truck drivers get no protection from the police or IDF and so its getting more and more perilous to get aid in.
This is a war crime and fortunately, much of the world is watching.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nope

You do agree Palestine must release hostages immediately?

I hope they do. But that won't end this war. I wish it would.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Indoctrinating their children with hatred, shameful

Something the Palestinians would never do. Right?

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

Babies have been starving to death in Yemen for ten years. Where's all the outrage at that? Israel's not involved, that's why.

This thread is about Israel and Palestine. You could always start another thread.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by DemRed

They put bouncy castles up for the kids and throw parties blocking the entrance to Gaza. They truck drivers get no protection from the police or IDF and so its getting more and more perilous to get aid in.
This is a war crime and fortunately, much of the world is watching.

Israeli government is starving the Gaza people on purpose. The definition of genocide.

[Vanessa]

I don't blame the Israeli people for this.
They have no say in what the government does.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemRed

This thread is about Israel and Palestine. You could always start another thread.

Why don't you? You're the one posting the starving babies posts. I've drawn a comparison and asked why it's only bad when Israel is involved. I already know the answer, by the way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I hope they do. But that won't end this war. I wish it would.

It would be the most significant move to make

I wonder why hamas Palestine won't

Have you any idea?

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't blame the Israeli people for this.
They have no say in what the government does.

I have friends in Israel and I'm in contact with them quite a bit in present times. I agree with you, this isn't about the people of Israel, its about the government and its about the U.S, Britain and Germany who fully support that government.

[DemRed]

I have to wonder... who on here supported the apartheid in South Africa?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't blame the Israeli people for this.
They have no say in what the government does.

You do realise it was literally Israeli citizens who attacked the food trucks in the videos provided? Not the government?

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

71% of Palestinians polled by whom and using what methodology.

If they accurately polled women and children I will eat my own hat and yours Parmy.

Tbh I'm surprised it's as low as 71%, as Hamas aren't exactly known for their tolerance of dissenting voices. Who knows who the pollsters really are? Pretty brave of anyone to openly say anything negative about Hamas, let alone 29% lf those polled.

[Beso]

If the Palestinian older population had any love in their souls, the ones that can make decisions would do anything within their power to stop their children going through what they went through in childhood. Unfortunatly they just seem to ramp things up and order up what's being served to them atm, by ordering oct 7th, which is supported by what will be 80 percent of the population once you take the 5 percent off for the Christians and others. You reep what you sow I'm afraid.

[The Slim Reaper]

"the starving babies posts"

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It would be the most significant move to make

I wonder why hamas Palestine won't

Have you any idea?

Because they naively still believe that holding Israeli hostages might stop the IDF from carpet bombing them? (It won't, but maybe they're still holding onto that vague hope).

Releasing them wouldn't change anything either, as you well know.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why don't you? You're the one posting the starving babies posts. I've drawn a comparison and asked why it's only bad when Israel is involved. I already know the answer, by the way.

Is your supposed known answer "cos they're Jewish" and as a follow up, if it is that, are you literally 12 years old?

[Liam-]

It’s almost like they want to wipe out the Palestinians and take their land for themselves

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s almost like they want to wipe out the Palestinians and take their land for themselves

You'd think they'd at least want to wait for the literal dust to settle.

I think ultimately worth remembering though: All wars are about land and/or resources. All of them, throughout all of history. Name a war and the supposed justification, and very little digging will show that it was about land or resources. The rest is just sauce for public consumption... governments are not moral and do not care about collateral damage in any meaningful way other than financial.

To use a somewhat-linked example, people like to get poetic about the heroic allies in WW2 valiantly stepping in to stop Nazi atrocities. And undoubtedly, stepping in and winning the war did stop many atrocities. And I'm 100% sure many of the people fighting that war were fully invested in fighting to that end. But the uncomfortable political reality? If Nazi Germany had not been expansionist in their ambitions, we wouldn't have done a thing. Not one thing. Britain did not enter WW2 because the Nazis were bad. We entered because they invaded Poland and Britain started to become concerned about sovereignty. Same reason other Middle Eastern nations are concerned about Israel. Same reason Ukraine should be worried about Russia, but in turn same reason Russia is concerned about NATO expansion. It's all the same ****.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Is your supposed known answer "cos they're Jewish" and as a follow up, if it is that, are you literally 12 years old?

You say Jewish. I say Israeli. And therein lies the problem.

And no, I'm not even figuratively 12 years old.