[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemRed

What about condemnation from yourself or Strumpet for all the innocents killed in Gaza?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I condemn Hamas for killing them

Originally Posted by DemRed

Who is them?

Originally Posted by Livia

Who the **** do you think?

I'm going to assume LT meant "the Israelis on Oct 7th" because from previous observation I have strong doubts that he gives enough of a toss about Palestinian Muslims (or any Muslim) to condemn anyone for killing them, whether that be IDF missiles, starvation or supposed Hamas false-flags. Certainly there are plenty of people who feel equally terrible for any innocent individual caught up in any part of this violence. My impression of LT's stance is -- in simplest form -- that he believes Palestine " ****ed around and found out" thus Palestinian children are undeserving of sympathy, or even really any vague consideration.

I'm willing to hear otherwise of course.

[user104658]

If the question is "how many deaths of civilians in Gaza will serve as appropriate retribution for the horrific events of Oct 7th" I believe the accepted answer by certain parties appears to be "there is no upper limit".

Or let's face it... perhaps simply "All of them".

[Livia]

TS having a conversation with himself trying desperately to make his points make others look callous and stupid.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

TS having a conversation with himself trying desperately to make his points make others look callous and stupid.

In what way was I having a conversation with myself? Is it because I made two posts in a row? Bit of a leap there but OK

[Crimson Dynamo]

this short video from 5 months ago sums the whole shebang perfectly

Youtube video

[DemRed]

Youtube video

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'm going to assume LT meant "the Israelis on Oct 7th" because from previous observation I have strong doubts that he gives enough of a toss about Palestinian Muslims (or any Muslim) to condemn anyone for killing them, whether that be IDF missiles, starvation or supposed Hamas false-flags. Certainly there are plenty of people who feel equally terrible for any innocent individual caught up in any part of this violence. My impression of LT's stance is -- in simplest form -- that he believes Palestine " ****ed around and found out" thus Palestinian children are undeserving of sympathy, or even really any vague consideration.

I'm willing to hear otherwise of course.

Totally agree TS,

[Beso]

The blame for Palestinian deaths lies with hamas..how on earth do people expect israel to stop now whilst hamas still remains..all that happens there is hamas reforms and begins their evil intent again..wipe the ****ers out..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The blame for Palestinian deaths lies with hamas..how on earth do people expect israel to stop now whilst hamas still remains..all that happens there is hamas reforms and begins their evil intent again..wipe the ****ers out..

Because the world is full of terrorists and eliminating terrorism and terrorist cells has never been (and cannot be) justification for limitless levels of collateral damage and civilian death.

It is KNOWN that there are active terrorist cells within every major city in the UK... so unless you want to start carpet-bombing Glasgow and Liverpool with Napalm then you really need to rethink the "how can they stop until all are wiped out?" thinking.

Of course, everyone understands that it would be utter madness to blow up a UK housing estate based on intelligence that a couple of the houses contain terrorists. It's only considered to be justified because it's "there" not "here" - it's that simple.

Widescale violence against civilian populations increases terrorist activity. It always has, it always will, it HELPS them recruit, western destruction in the middle east was what created ISIS. In order for it to have any other effect, the destruction needs to be total. 100%. There's a name for that. It's genocide.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Because the world is full of terrorists and eliminating terrorism and terrorist cells has never been (and cannot be) justification for limitless levels of collateral damage and civilian death.

It is KNOWN that there are active terrorist cells within every major city in the UK... so unless you want to start carpet-bombing Glasgow and Liverpool with Napalm then you really need to rethink the "how can they stop until all are wiped out?" thinking.

Of course, everyone understands that it would be utter madness to blow up a UK housing estate based on intelligence that a couple of the houses contain terrorists. It's only considered to be justified because it's "there" not "here" - it's that simple.

Widescale violence against civilian populations increases terrorist activity. It always has, it always will, it HELPS them recruit, western destruction in the middle east was what created ISIS. In order for it to have any other effect, the destruction needs to be total. 100%. There's a name for that. It's genocide.

We dont see any bombing from Ireland and the IRA now..we didnt bomb them to smithereens, did we!

Should israel stop and allow hamas to regroup? Or should they blitz what's left of their battalions, so they can safely weed out what's left.

[Livia]

No terrorist cell in any other country continually fire rockets into a neighbouring country with the intention of killing people. Pre 7th October Hamas would fire hundreds of rockets, sometimes from schools and hospitals. The only reason more Israelis weren't killed was the use of the Iron Dome.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We dont see any bombing from Ireland and the IRA now..

No, we don't.

we didnt bomb them to smithereens, did we!

No, we didn't.

If you understand this, then you already know the answer here?

[Livia]

Because TS has the answer. Naturally.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

No terrorist cell in any other country continually fire rockets into a neighbouring country with the intention of killing people. Pre 7th October Hamas would fire hundreds of rockets, sometimes from schools and hospitals. The only reason more Israelis weren't killed was the use of the Iron Dome.

Circumstantial morality isn't morality.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Because TS has the answer. Naturally.

"TS" has the answer? Are you disputing that the troubles were addressed via politics and negotiation rather than through bombing campaigns? It's not me having the answer it's just historical fact. I'm sorry that "We didn't obliterate Belfast" is an inconvenient truth but claiming that it's just "TS's answer " isn't going to change it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

ELIMINATED : Qassem Saqlawi, Commander of the Rocket and Missile Array in
Hezbollah’s Coastal Sector.

Eliminated by an IAF aircraft, Saqlawi was responsible for planning and
executing rocket attacks and anti-tank launches toward Israel from the coastal
sector in Lebanon.

https://x.com/IDF/status/1792795520307785930

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"TS" has the answer? Are you disputing that the troubles were addressed via politics and negotiation rather than through bombing campaigns? It's not me having the answer it's just historical fact. I'm sorry that "We didn't obliterate Belfast" is an inconvenient truth but claiming that it's just "TS's answer " isn't going to change it.

No, I'm disputing that you have the answers you think you do. Not just to this subject but to every subject.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, I'm disputing that you have the answers you think you do. Not just to this subject but to every subject.

Again fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of a debates forum but carry on Livia this is nothing new - I know you don't like my opinions, I don't care any more than I did yesterday, last month or last year, and you not liking them isn't going to stop me posting them tomorrow any more than it did today. So... enjoy or stick me back on block I guess

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

"TS" has the answer? Are you disputing that the troubles were addressed via politics and negotiation rather than through bombing campaigns? It's not me having the answer it's just historical fact. I'm sorry that "We didn't obliterate Belfast" is an inconvenient truth but claiming that it's just "TS's answer " isn't going to change it.

Yes it worked there, but we've had more than 80 years of trying it in gazza and things have just gotten worse rather than better...I think oct 7th was the final straw for israel..dont you?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes it worked there, but we've had more than 80 years of trying it in gazza and things have just gotten worse rather than better...I think oct 7th was the final straw for israel..dont you?

You'd be hard-pressed to convince me that there have been any meaningful attempts at negotiation when it comes to Israel/Palestine -- not with anything other than token concessions from Israel or the West. It's also true though that there aren't many opportunities for diplomatic solutions that Palestinians would accept either.

But that's how these things go, it takes the right people on the right day, none of it changes the simple fact that ultimately the haphazard destruction of Gaza is going to make Israel less safe in the Middle East, not more safe, and will in the longer term cause a surge in terrorist activity, not a reduction. To put it in the simplest terms - parents whose kids school got bombed will strap bombs to their chests. Kids who saw their parents blown apart at 5 years old will be waving a gun by 15. That's ALWAYS been the case, it's woven into the very basics of what terrorism and extremism is at the very core.

I think Oct 7th was the final straw for Israel but I also thing it was a go-for-broke from Hamas. They knew what the response would be. They obviously also know they cannot actually go to war with the IDF. So why do you think they did it?

[Beso]

Pleasure TS, pure pleasure. Why else would you cut of children's hands to take home, to show everyone how brave you were?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Pleasure TS, pure pleasure. Why else would you cut of children's hands to take home, to show everyone how brave you were?

Inherent evil doesn't exist and yet people gleefully commit evil acts - the fact that some of the terrorists take pleasure in committing atrocities is a separate issue. You'll find examples of cruelty and pleasure in killing in every army in the world, the real difference is only that a terrorist organisation is not an organised military and thus there's no real command structure or process of discipline to keep that (somewhat) in check. What do you think would happen if, during an armed conflict, the US command structure suddenly said "Actually you know what troops? Do whatever the hell you want, no consequences ".

Human nature hasn't changed throughout history and it certainly doesn't differ by region.

[Beso]

You specifically asked about hamas, and I gave you a reason why they would do it..I would also argue Hamas's a military, as it has battalions and leaders etc..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Food Aid to Gaza Is Getting Stolen as Fast as It Can Be Delivered

On the menu today: The fast-moving news cycle is a clumsy administration’s
best friend. This weekend, the Biden administration got what it wanted when it
announced the construction of a U.S.-taxpayer-funded pier in the Gaza Strip —
happy headlines about the U.S. military starting to deliver aid to the
Palestinians, many of whom really are desperate. And in what probably counts
as a small miracle, Hamas hasn’t attempted to bomb or otherwise attack the
pier yet. But there’s a little catch, in that the food aid is getting stolen before it
can reach the World Food Program warehouse . . . just eight miles away. Once
the food aid leaves the pier, the United Nations, international partners, and the
“humanitarian community” oversee getting the aid to those who need it most.
And they’re getting robbed, hijacked, and mugged.

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-m...-be-delivered/

[arista]

Yes LT

they must buy it from Hamas