[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

LGBTQ people don’t kill themselves because they’re LGBTQ they kill themselves in response to bullying, discrimination, homophobia, depression, anxiety, substance abuse, violence, gender nonconformity, low self-esteem and societal and family rejection.

Study after study proves that this is not the case, suicidality increases because there's an expectation (and one that's dangerously encouraged and affirmed) that gender "correction" will alleviate feelings of depression and anxiety that are pre-existing and have nothing to do with gender whatsoever. When gender reassignment is complete and (in the vast majority of cases) only offers temporary relief from the symptoms of depression and anxiety, which then return, the individual is left with zero coping mechanism (as their previous coping mechanism was the strong belief that gender reassignment would be the answer). The suicide risk due to the feeling of hopelessness at this point is MASSIVELY increased.

These are the simple facts of the psychology behind it, they might be inconvenient when pushing a social narrative but it's just the truth. And anyone who cares about the lives of individuals should care only about the truth; not the "mission".

[LeatherTrumpet]

Culture war getting wrecked by facts

Ouch

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Study after study proves that this is not the case, suicidality increases because there's an expectation (and one that's dangerously encouraged and affirmed) that gender "correction" will alleviate feelings of depression and anxiety that are pre-existing and have nothing to do with gender whatsoever. When gender reassignment is complete and (in the vast majority of cases) only offers temporary relief from the symptoms of depression and anxiety, which then return, the individual is left with zero coping mechanism (as their previous coping mechanism was the strong belief that gender reassignment would be the answer). The suicide risk due to the feeling of hopelessness at this point is MASSIVELY increased.

These are the simple facts of the psychology behind it, they might be inconvenient when pushing a social narrative but it's just the truth. And anyone who cares about the lives of individuals should care only about the truth; not the "mission".

Not just talking about gender reaffirmation, it’s LGBTQ community in general. Just because you slap on some buzz words to push an agenda doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Not just talking about gender reaffirmation, it’s LGBTQ community in general. Just because you slap on some buzz words to push an agenda doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen

Well the study LT posted, the one to which you were replying, was about trans people in specific, not LGBT "community" in general.

[Glenn.]

Trans people are the LGBTQ community.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Trans people are the LGBTQ community.

Part of it, yes. But issues faced by one part of the LGBT won't necessarily be the same with the rest.

[Glenn.]

They face the same or sometimes worse derogatory and hateful situations. We wouldn’t be in a thread called the war on transgender if that wasn’t the case.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

They face the same or sometimes worse derogatory and hateful situations. We wouldn’t be in a thread called the war on transgender if that wasn’t the case.

Made by Liam

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It is actually different, it's more or less the other way around. Body dysmorphia is people being unable to see what their body actually looks like objectively and believe themselves to be physically something they're not (I.e. people who are already underweight genuinely believing they look fat).

For trans people it's that they ARE aware of the objective reality of their body, but don't think it fits their subjective sense of self.

Exactly, the mindset is different between the two groups.

[Mystic Mock]

I think the way society currently is, isn't helping with suicide rates imo.

Especially if these studies are correct that the Transgender community are more likely to have bad Mental Health, the way that society is currently working will push some of them over the edge.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Made by Liam

And filled to the brim by you

Seems the point of the thread has gone right over your head… not really surprising. Nothing there to catch anything is there.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Not just talking about gender reaffirmation, it’s LGBTQ community in general. Just because you slap on some buzz words to push an agenda doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen

It doesn't even have anything to do with LGBTQ or any other community - it's just a complete misunderstanding of depression, anxiety and suicidality. The data just doesn't support the supposition.

[Redrose]

Why do middle class gays like Jonathan Lis think homophobia is dead. It's alive and well on this planet. A Lesbian kindergarten teacher lost her job at Catholic school for marrying a woman. Even in Eurovision Olly's performance was labelled perverted and he got zero points from the audience while trans and non binary performers were praised and got into the top 5.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redrose

Why do middle class gays like Jonathan Lis think homophobia is dead. It's alive and well on this planet. A Lesbian kindergarten teacher lost her job at Catholic school for marrying a woman. Even in Eurovision Olly's performance was labelled perverted and he got zero points from the audience while trans and non binary performers were praised and got into the top 5.

I honestly don't get the issue with Olly's performance.

It was no different to Slovenia's staging.

And btw to any feminists that hate on Stellar Blade because Eve's "not realistic" with how she looks, well the Slovenian woman at Eurovision has a similar physique to her, and she looked very real to me, so it kind of throws the "no women look like that" argument out of the window.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I honestly don't get the issue with Olly's performance.

It was no different to Slovenia's staging.

And btw to any feminists that hate on Stellar Blade because Eve's "not realistic" with how she looks, well the Slovenian woman at Eurovision has a similar physique to her, and she looked very real to me, so it kind of throws the "no women look like that" argument out of the window.

I still think that if Olly had chosen female dancers or a mix of male / female then he may have got a better reaction


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I still think that if Olly had chosen female dancers or a mix of male / female then he may have got a better reaction


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That does kind of show a bit of Homophobia on the audience's part if that really was such an issue for them.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That does kind of show a bit of Homophobia on the audience's part if that really was such an issue for them.

Maybe that’s the way society is ..

My beautiful wife and I are also fans of Will Young and obviously accepting of his sexuality from the beginning.

Now we have followed his career, loved all his music and even went to see him live at the MEN arena.

We love his personality as much as anything especially his guest appearances on tv shows where his personality shone through BUT a few years ago on one particular chat show he suddenly presented as being extremely feminine/camp and started to flirt with a male guest and even went and sat on his lap behaving kinda helpless and submissive , even girly / girlish.

Now that slightly surprised/shocked the audience somewhat ( and us two as well ) .


So maybe it was because it’s not something we had seen that often or maybe it was because we’d never seen him interacting with another guy before and it was a side of his personality that he’d kept hidden ?

Maybe in another 20 years… society will be more accepting / tolerant ?


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Maybe that’s the way society is ..

My beautiful wife and I are also fans of Will Young and obviously accepting of his sexuality from the beginning.

Now we have followed his career, loved all his music and even went to see him live at the MEN arena.

We love his personality as much as anything especially his guest appearances on tv shows where his personality shone through BUT a few years ago on one particular chat show he suddenly presented as being extremely feminine/camp and started to flirt with a male guest and even went and sat on his lap behaving kinda helpless and submissive , even girly / girlish.

Now that slightly surprised/shocked the audience somewhat ( and us two as well ) .


So maybe it was because it’s not something we had seen that often or maybe it was because we’d never seen him interacting with another guy before and it was a side of his personality that he’d kept hidden ?

Maybe in another 20 years… society will be more accepting / tolerant ?


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Tbf I'm not saying that it isn't natural to be a little shocked at seeing something that you don't regularly see in your day to day life (like tbh I don't regularly hang out with any Homosexual couples in my personal life either) but that's more to do with me being a shut in.

Plus I do understand that for anybody in older age groups are especially going to be shocked by Olly's performance, and I don't think that those people should be shamed for that.

However the people that hated on him because of the performance, and got really personal about him is what I didn't really understand.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf I'm not saying that it isn't natural to be a little shocked at seeing something that you don't regularly see in your day to day life (like tbh I don't regularly hang out with any Homosexual couples in my personal life either) but that's more to do with me being a shut in.

Plus I do understand that for anybody in older age groups are especially going to be shocked by Olly's performance, and I don't think that those people should be shamed for that.

However the people that hated on him because of the performance, and got really personal about him is what I didn't really understand.

True enough


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[LeatherTrumpet]

J.K. Rowling reposted

Jenny Lindsay
@msjlindsay

When I speak of "fragile thuggery" this is a perfect example. A near-hysterical
claim of emotional damage from even SEEING a book one disagrees with, in a
culture where women have *literally* been punched in the face by activists
who think this way. It has to stop being indulged.

Lissa Evans
@LissaKEvans
Here is the paragraph from the 'Resources' page of
@LitScotland
. Many, many writers and people in publishing are afraid to express their perfectly legal views on gender ideology (an ideology responsible for vast amounts of damage to young people).
This is why they're afraid



The Literature Alliance Scotland It is Scotland’s largest network for literature and languages, bringing together writers, publishers, educators, librarians, literature organisations and national cultural bodies.

https://x.com/msjlindsay/status/1794040581435404658



GREAT ARTICLE HERE: https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-misogyny-alliance/

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J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling


Britain has banned puberty blockers.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1796226083794395346

[Liam-]

Something for the naive/stupid ‘we’re only protecting kids’ gang to digest

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Twitter Link

Something for the naive/stupid ‘we’re only protecting kids’ gang to digest

cult leader?

who is tweeting that a teenager?

pathetic

[Liam-]

Puberty blockers will be banned for trans kids because they’re too ‘dangerous’ but will continue to be used for cis kids because apparently it’s perfectly safe for them to use, this is a blatant assault on trans lives and possibly also not very legal and also, a very obvious ploy to pander to the worst types of people for the election because it’s only going to last until September, playing with the lives of the vulnerable for hopeful political gain, anybody and everybody involved or endorsing this should be ashamed, and should be held responsible for any deaths or recorded self harm that occurs as a result of this evil decision

[Livia]

No such thing as a cis kid.