[Liam-]

Devils chord was a masterpiece

[Glenn.]

Imagine being such an awful person to call a program woke because the lead actor is a gay black man. It’s bad when you don’t even try to hide how repulsive you are

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Imagine being such an awful person to call a program woke because the lead actor is a gay black man. It’s bad when you don’t even try to hide how repulsive you are

ill be sure to pass on your triggered reply to Mat McGoin of Cosmic Book Views who wrote the article

[Oliver_W]

The seemingly low viewing figures aren't as bad as they seem when one considers the viewing habits of today, the fact that the episodes had been available to watch on iPlayer for about 20 hours before the broadcast, and that the two episodes were second and third highest viewing figures of the day, with Eurovision being first.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The seemingly low viewing figures aren't as bad as they seem when one considers the viewing habits of today, the fact that the episodes had been available to watch on iPlayer for about 20 hours before the broadcast, and that the two episodes were second and third highest viewing figures of the day, with Eurovision being first.

I agree the ratings figures are entirely meaningless - this is just not how people consume non-live television any more. Totally outdated metric, can only really get a true idea of viewership by looking at streaming stats in 6+ months time (and that is also what the execs will be looking at).

I haven't watched the new episodes yet so we ll reserve judgement. I don't like the idea of a musical number for the sake of a musical number, but apparently it may have an in-universe explanation. I enjoyed the Toy maker stuff so .

I've also seen the clip of the abortion social commentary from the first episode and all I'd really say about it is that it's too on the nose and thus comes across a bit preachy - and that's from someone who wholeheartedly agrees with the gist of what's being said. It just feels schlocky.

BUT

Anyone who says there hasn't been schlocky/unsubtke preaching in Doctor Who all along is lying to themselves.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I agree the ratings figures are entirely meaningless - this is just not how people consume non-live television any more. Totally outdated metric, can only really get a true idea of viewership by looking at streaming stats in 6+ months time (and that is also what the execs will be looking at).

I haven't watched the new episodes yet so we ll reserve judgement. I don't like the idea of a musical number for the sake of a musical number, but apparently it may have an in-universe explanation. I enjoyed the Toy maker stuff so .

I've also seen the clip of the abortion social commentary from the first episode and all I'd really say about it is that it's too on the nose and thus comes across a bit preachy - and that's from someone who wholeheartedly agrees with the gist of what's being said. It just feels schlocky.

BUT

Anyone who says there hasn't been schlocky/unsubtke preaching in Doctor Who all along is lying to themselves.

my likes are a lot more basic. I either like a tv show or i don't, it wouldn't even get to the "this is woke" for me, because something can be woke and entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive concepts

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is fairly typical of the Christmas episodes in general though. They're not going to have a dark episode for the Christmas special .

That'd be one of my favourite Christmas specials.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

my likes are a lot more basic. I either like a tv show or i don't, it wouldn't even get to the "this is woke" for me, because something can be woke and entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive concepts

"Woke" as a label only seems to be applied to things which are crap tbh. Socially conscious episodes of old Star Trek or XMen or whatever don't get labelled with it, if they're good. And modern things with diverse casts or which are about Issues(tm) seem to dodge the label too.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

my likes are a lot more basic. I either like a tv show or i don't, it wouldn't even get to the "this is woke" for me, because something can be woke and entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive concepts

I agree with this actually.

You might want to tell Melonie Mac on YouTube about some "Woke" stuff being actually decent.

Admittedly Doctor Who under Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker, not being one of those examples.

[user104658]

Watched the first two and I have to say, I actually thought they were both great. Some slight wokeness? Sure but honestly no moreso than any Doctor Who in the modern era. My verdict thus far has to be that the people whining that it's "gone woke" simply have their own agenda to grind.

I thought I'd hate ep 2 but it's probably the best episode since the early Capaldi era.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I agree with this actually.

You might want to tell Melonie Mac on YouTube about some "Woke" stuff being actually decent.

Admittedly Doctor Who under Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker, not being one of those examples.

After playing Control last night, it confirms mine and your point quite well BOTS.

It's got a couple of woke elements definitely there, but it's overall a good Game with some interesting Sci-Fi concepts.

[Nicky91]

good episodes so far


Devils Chord definitely a amazing episode, those actor choices for The Beatles are properly chosen, styled




last saturdays ''Boom''

Spoiler:

omg, that is some sick twisted scheme, to make these soldiers still think they're at war, while in reality they are at war with themselves, was a good idea of the doctor sending that recently deceased soldier into the computer

next saturday, is that the one with Legendary Sian Phillips? i think it is, thought i saw her in the teaser but not sure, not really sure what she looks like currently at age of 90

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

After playing Control last night, it confirms mine and your point quite well BOTS.

It's got a couple of woke elements definitely there, but it's overall a good Game with some interesting Sci-Fi concepts.

Is Control woke?

[Nicky91]

was a nice role from Sian


a well put together episode

Spoiler:

the woman following Ruby constantly was revealed at the end of the episode to be an older version of herself, whom at the end successfully warned her from the doctor from stepping on that witches circle thing

i like this season a lot so far

[Vanessa]

Enjoyed that episode tonight.

[user104658]

That last episode... For anyone who actually got it is an absolute ASSAULT on wokeness . Holy crap . An absolute madness... We'll see where we go from here but the comments about it having gone woke, after that, are wildly off-base. RTD just straight up kicking "the community" in the stones. I doubt most people will actually get it though. Which is really in itself a meta-commentary.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Is Control woke?

I'd say mildly, nothing narrative destroying though imo.

I would say that the combat was annoying though, it put me off the Game.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'd say mildly, nothing narrative destroying though imo.

I would say that the combat was annoying though, it put me off the Game.

Just pump every single point and upgrade pretty much into the telekinesis skills and it's a good "power fantasy" IMO especially once you have the flying abilities etc... Can more or less ignore the gun entirely, upgrade the basic pistol mode fully and ignore the other modes. Telekinesis is OP. But in a fun way. The "If in doubt, throw a forklift truck at them with your mind" method.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Just pump every single point and upgrade pretty much into the telekinesis skills and it's a good "power fantasy" IMO especially once you have the flying abilities etc... Can more or less ignore the gun entirely, upgrade the basic pistol mode fully and ignore the other modes. Telekinesis is OP. But in a fun way. The "If in doubt, throw a forklift truck at them with your mind" method.

Thanks for the tip, in case I do go back to it in the future.

I don't get the point of a skill tree being put in the Game though, if only one thing is of any use to the player.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Watched the first two and I have to say, I actually thought they were both great. Some slight wokeness? Sure but honestly no moreso than any Doctor Who in the modern era. My verdict thus far has to be that the people whining that it's "gone woke" simply have their own agenda to grind.

I thought I'd hate ep 2 but it's probably the best episode since the early Capaldi era.

I've liked all of the episodes so far.

The apparent "wokeness" didn't really bother me as the episodes were good. I still maintain something that's good won't be called woke tbh.

But then I'm relatively easy to please

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

That last episode... For anyone who actually got it is an absolute ASSAULT on wokeness . Holy crap . An absolute madness... We'll see where we go from here but the comments about it having gone woke, after that, are wildly off-base. RTD just straight up kicking "the community" in the stones. I doubt most people will actually get it though. Which is really in itself a meta-commentary.

I saw it more as a jab at the yoofs who never look up from their screens, though that's the obvious "surface level" read of it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I saw it more as a jab at the yoofs who never look up from their screens, though that's the obvious "surface level" read of it.

Yes and there is an obvious commentary on race, at the surface level, but really the whole thing is a commentary on being guided/controlled by "groupthink" and unwilling to consider things independently. "We can't follow you - you're not like us!", there's clearly yes a comment on race, but the real message is a quite scathing look at the concept of "If you are not of us, you are against us" that prevails in online groups.

The doctor saying "Don't follow the arrows, actually look!"
The girl panicking and shouting "Find me a safe space!!" and generally getting anxious and upset whenever the Doctor asks her to think about the world.

There's a huge comment on (and criticism of) "privileged Western online wokeism" thrown in there - "It's just about OK for us to communicate on screen, but actually TRAVEL with you...?"

I also keep seeing a misinterpretation that she blocks him at the beginning JUST because he's black but that's only part of it - she reacts to what he says, as well... there's a strong implication that she initially blocks him because he says something that she doesn't want to hear. She also mutes the goth kid who is saying things that she doesn't want to hear or think about.

Also consider the part where she throws someone she supposedly really likes and admires under the bus to save herself without a second thought .

Finally I feel that the end is totally misinterpreted as well with SoMed branding the central character as just some evil racist. I however thought it was very well shot to show that Lindy Pepper-bean herself knows that the doctor is right, deep down actually wants to go with him, knows it would be safer, knows they're probably going to die out in the world because they have no idea what they're doing... but she still goes with them, essentially because of peer pressure, and because they'll turn on her if she dissents from the group consensus.

I honestly think standalone it's an excellent piece of TV. Plays out more like a Black Mirror episode than an episode of Doctor Who. The social media complete misreading that "it was just about racism all along" is such a delicious irony .

My only real criticism is that is seems unlikely that in 2000 years of travelling the universe that this would genuinely shock The Doctor. I know there's an argument that it's because it's the first time he's experienced it first hand but logically, that only makes sense in terms of him interacting with current-day humans as a white/black man ... he's experienced vast amounts of the past and future on planets all across the universe, there's no way he hasn't experienced the same thing from another group at some point. Like there's bound to be a spiny-headed alien out there who was disgusted by his lack of head spines. The end of the episode slightly forgot that The Doctor is not actually human. But RTD is guilty of that quite often. It worked for the storyline, just not entirely for the actual lore of the character.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Thanks for the tip, in case I do go back to it in the future.

I don't get the point of a skill tree being put in the Game though, if only one thing is of any use to the player.

Yes I agree with the second part - Control has a massive skill tree and loads of abilities but in literally EVERY situation the best plan is "Throw big things at them with your mind!!!", and the best upgrades are the "Throw bigger stuff!!" and "Throw even MORE stuff!!!!" upgrades . It's fun but not well-balanced gameplay wise.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with RTD though that groupthink is a terrible thing for society.

Because everyday we're edging closer to becoming more like the Borg from the Star Trek franchise.

I haven't actually watched the episode, so I can't contribute to what I personally thought of the quality.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Yes I agree with the second part - Control has a massive skill tree and loads of abilities but in literally EVERY situation the best plan is "Throw big things at them with your mind!!!", and the best upgrades are the "Throw bigger stuff!!" and "Throw even MORE stuff!!!!" upgrades . It's fun but not well-balanced gameplay wise.

I did like the Game's plot though, it's better than half of the current Sci-Fi output on TV at the moment imo.

[bots]

i just thought that the episode i saw was crap, there really isn't any coming back from that

To be honest, i think netflix has led to me being fairly harsh because they come out with so much crap. There is so much media available, i generally prefer to move on pretty quickly and not look back