[Zizu]

I thought he’d been given a loaded gun rather than a replica by the weapons expert on set ?

How can it be his fault ?


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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I thought he’d been given a loaded gun rather than a replica by the weapons expert on set ?

How can it be his fault ?


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He shot an innocent women dead. He was the director of the movie (he made the decisions)

He did it.

Why try and defend him?

He F'd up big time. He shouldn't be let off just because he's an elite actor. You wouldn't be allowed get away with it. You'd already be In Prison.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Alf

He shot an innocent women dead. He was the director of the movie (he made the decisions)

He did it.

Why try and defend him?

He F'd up big time. He shouldn't be let off just because he's an elite actor. You wouldn't be allowed get away with it. You'd already be In Prison.

He wouldn’t have pointed the gun at anyone if he knew it was loaded/dangerous though ..

There has to be the element of intent , plus motive ..

Again I don’t know all the details ..

Was he convicted of murder ?


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[Ammi]

Rust armourer jailed for 18 months for involuntary manslaughter…

Rust armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was sentenced to 18 months in prison on Monday for the involuntary manslaughter of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on a film set in March 2021.

The 27-year-old had been found guilty for her role in the fatal shooting on a New Mexico film set by a jury in March.

Sentencing her to the maximum jail term requested by prosecutors, Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer told her: “You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon.”

Hutchins, 42, was killed when the gun, which contained live bullets, went off on the set of Rust, a Western starring Alec Baldwin. The director, Joel Souza, was injured.

The court had been told that Gutierrez-Reed mistakenly loaded a live round into a reproduction Colt .45 revolver which Baldwin fired inside a film-set church.

Baldwin, who was holding the gun when it went off and fired a live bullet, is due to go on trial for involuntary manslaughter in July. He has pleaded not guilty.

Hutchins’s death was Hollywood’s first on-set fatal shooting in nearly 30 years.

Prosecutors said Gutierrez-Reed repeatedly failed to ensure firearm safety and it was her negligence that led to Hutchins’s death.

Wearing tan prison fatigues, Gutierrez-Reed choked back tears as the sentence was passed.

Pleading for leniency, she told the court: “My heart aches for the Hutchins family and friends and colleagues as well.”

“Your honour, when I took on Rust I was young and I was naive. But I took my job as seriously as I knew how to, despite not having proper time, resources and staffing, I just did my best to handle it.”

Asking the court to impose a maximum sentence, the prosecutor said Gutierrez-Reed had shown no remorse, as had been demonstrated by calls she had made from jail to her mother, boyfriend and legal teams.

At one point she described the jury that had convicted her as “a-holes and idiots”.

Friends and family of Ukrainian-born Hutchins paid an emotional tribute to the cinematographer, who was married with a young son.

Hutchins’s father said in a statement read in court: “Each person responsible… needs to carry the punishment that is equal to their guilt.

“Maybe, just maybe, this might prevent the same type of tragedies in the future to others, and spare other parents from such a heart-wrenching catastrophe.”

Emilia Mendieta, a friend and film school classmate, told the judge: “Someone didn’t do their job right. A lot of someones.”


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/rust-armou...204441929.html

[Zizu]

Madness

At the hearing, lead prosecutor Kari Morrissey urged the judge to issue the highest allowable sentence for the “cascade of set violations” that led to Hutchins’ death. She said Gutierrez-Reed “continues to refuse to accept responsibility for her role,” citing nearly 200 calls the prosecution monitored after she was taken into custody.

“Rather than accept responsibility, she has chosen to point blame at the witnesses who testified against her, me, you, the jury, the set medic and the paramedics who tried to save Ms. Hutchins’ life,” Morrissey said. She moved to designate the armorer a “serious violent offender” to limit her eligibility for a sentence reduction.

Sommer said that Gutierrez-Reed conveyed in those calls that the armorer largely considered the prosecution a “character attack on her” and was “dismissive” of her role in the shooting. Gutierrez-Reed also allegedly said without evidence that the judge was “getting paid off.”


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[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He wouldn’t have pointed the gun at anyone if he knew it was loaded/dangerous though ..

There has to be the element of intent , plus motive ..

Again I don’t know all the details ..

Was he convicted of murder ?


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Regardless that the armourer was far too young and far too stupid to be working on a film, Alex Baldwin pointed a firearm and pulled the trigger without checking it. No one who knows anything about firearms would ever do that. The gun was in his hand, he had a duty to check it.

[arista]

USA TLC will be showing
Alec Baldwin and Family Reality show
but not until 2025

Scottish Reporter in LA
told us on LorraineHD itv

[arista]

He (aged 66) has been Busy with his younger Wife aged 40 now





https://www.the-sun.com/tv/11540710/...lity-show-tlc/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilaria_Baldwin


I think with that many kids
it will be a hit.

[Livia]

Amuses me to see a man of his age with his much younger wife, surrounded by a hoard of screaming kids. Hope no one watches this, I suspect he's only doing it because his film career is over and rightly so.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Amuses me to see a man of his age with his much younger wife, surrounded by a hoard of screaming kids. Hope no one watches this, I suspect he's only doing it because his film career is over and rightly so.

But the Kids are the innocents in this
which is why it can be a hit.


Not until next year for TLC UK

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

He shot an innocent women dead. He was the director of the movie (he made the decisions)

He did it.

Why try and defend him?

He F'd up big time. He shouldn't be let off just because he's an elite actor. You wouldn't be allowed get away with it. You'd already be In Prison.

His intention wasn't to kill someone though.

And I do feel like the intention does matter.

[bots]

it's actually very difficult to shoot someone when they are not right beside you, it takes effort

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

His intention wasn't to kill someone though.

And I do feel like the intention does matter.

He said it wasn't his job to check the pistol... But it was. If you're going to fire a gun, you check it. Rule No. 1.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

But the Kids are the innocents in this
which is why it can be a hit.


Not until next year for TLC UK

Hmmm. I'm not really interested in him nor his kids.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

He (aged 66) has been Busy with his younger Wife aged 40 now





https://www.the-sun.com/tv/11540710/...lity-show-tlc/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilaria_Baldwin


I think with that many kids
it will be a hit.

Especially within certain parts of the Anime community.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm. I'm not really interested in him nor his kids.

Of course

But it will be better than other shows
as it is on TLC

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

He said it wasn't his job to check the pistol... But it was. If you're going to fire a gun, you check it. Rule No. 1.

I get that he made a mistake by not checking the gun.

But I feel like I would rather Prison space being used up on people who are a genuine threat to society at large, and holds genuine malice towards other people.

I don't really want Prison space being taken up by someone who accidentally shot a live bullet off, and it unfortunately ended up killing someone.

Especially considering America (like the UK) always talk about a lack of Prison space, well in that case I would prefer that the Prison space be used on far worse people than Alec Baldwin.

[user104658]

I agree on principle that custodial sentences should be for violent crime or people who have been criminal in a way that presents a clear ongoing danger to the public... However I also don't think he's innocent just because it was unintentional. I'd prefer the consequences (for crime in general) to be more creative than "stick em in jail" though.

Baldwin for example, prison or no prison, IMO should not be allowed around firearms ever again. Including on movie/TV sets. If the job requires an environment where there are live guns - tough, he can't do it. Full stop.

That said beyond that I'd advocate live firearms not being on ANY TV or film set in the first place. Prop guns and effects only. The risk is not worth it just to make it "slightly more authentic" - realistically, no one actually notices if it was a real gunshot, so there's no reason for a real gun.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I agree on principle that custodial sentences should be for violent crime or people who have been criminal in a way that presents a clear ongoing danger to the public... However I also don't think he's innocent just because it was unintentional. I'd prefer the consequences (for crime in general) to be more creative than "stick em in jail" though.

Baldwin for example, prison or no prison, IMO should not be allowed around firearms ever again. Including on movie/TV sets. If the job requires an environment where there are live guns - tough, he can't do it. Full stop.

That said beyond that I'd advocate live firearms not being on ANY TV or film set in the first place. Prop guns and effects only. The risk is not worth it just to make it "slightly more authentic" - realistically, no one actually notices if it was a real gunshot, so there's no reason for a real gun.

I do agree with a lot of your points here tbh, especially the part about live firearms not really needed to create an immersive Western.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get that he made a mistake by not checking the gun.

But I feel like I would rather Prison space being used up on people who are a genuine threat to society at large, and holds genuine malice towards other people.

I don't really want Prison space being taken up by someone who accidentally shot a live bullet off, and it unfortunately ended up killing someone.

Especially considering America (like the UK) always talk about a lack of Prison space, well in that case I would prefer that the Prison space be used on far worse people than Alec Baldwin.

Don't have a problem with him not going to prison but there has to be some repercussions. I'd never let him touch any kind of firearm again and the fine should be hefty.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't have a problem with him not going to prison but there has to be some repercussions. I'd never let him touch any kind of firearm again and the fine should be hefty.

Tbh I personally wouldn't mind this being his punishment.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

His intention wasn't to kill someone though.

And I do feel like the intention does matter.

Do you know that for sure? Or are you just taking his word for it?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

His intention wasn't to kill someone though.

And I do feel like the intention does matter.

I don’t get why he he’s expected to check that gun wasn’t a real gun / loaded with real bullets ..



Why on gawd’s earth would a film studio have a real gun loaded with real bullets in the first place !!?? Its pure madness !!


In his position I would have been concentrating on how I was actually holding the gun … I would have fired without giving it a second thought !!


Whoever put the gun and live bullets in the studio props depart should be locked away forever !!


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[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I don’t get why he he’s expected to check that gun wasn’t a real gun / loaded with real bullets ..



Why on gawd’s earth would a film studio have a real gun loaded with real bullets in the first place !!?? Its pure madness !!


In his position I would have been concentrating on how I was actually holding the gun … I would have fired without giving it a second thought !!


Whoever put the gun and live bullets in the studio props depart should be locked away forever !!


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it's part of the responsibility you take for handling a gun. There have been countless cases where someone has thought a gun was unloaded and as a joke pointed it at someones head and blown their head off. Responsibility always lies with the person firing the gun

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's part of the responsibility you take for handling a gun. There have been countless cases where someone has thought a gun was unloaded and as a joke pointed it at someones head and blown their head off. Responsibility always lies with the person firing the gun

Crazy things happen in households where guns are present ( USA) but there should never be any live weapons/ bullets in a film studio props department …it’s as crazy as having them lying around in a school classroom .. its just completely ridiculous