[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The word socialism is about as much use as the term "working class"

Then both are as much use as any other common political parlance

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Then both are as much use as any other common political parlance

yes Streeting tied himself in a knot trying to say who it referred to on LBC

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

Do Labour have anything about petrol and diesel cars in their manifesto?

No Deals
No

[James]

Originally Posted by Alf

Do Labour have anything about petrol and diesel cars in their manifesto?

Originally Posted by arista

No Deals
No

They are bringing the ban on new sales of petrol, diesel and hybrid cars back to 2030, instead of 2035.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

They are bringing the ban on new sales of petrol, diesel and hybrid cars back to 2030, instead of 2035.

It's all a bit insane, primarily because we don't have the infrastructure available for charging tens of millions of electric cars every day . Really if this is happening, it has to go hand-in-hand with the nationalisation of energy, and ensuring that vehicle charging is both available and affordable.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's all a bit insane, primarily because we don't have the infrastructure available for charging tens of millions of electric cars every day . Really if this is happening, it has to go hand-in-hand with the nationalisation of energy, and ensuring that vehicle charging is both available and affordable.

it just means that the 2nd hand car market will continue to rocket. Most cars these days can stay on the road for a long, long time. People just wont buy electric vehicles

[bots]

We all know that labour are fudging their figures, so they are going to have to come up with a new tax or blame the tories for us being in a bigger economic mess than they thought .... etc etc. One way or another, taxes will go up.

If they come up with a new tax they can say .... we didn't put up income tax, vat NI etc, although they would be breaking the spirit of their commitment, and I don't think that would sit well with the public

Apparently there are 18B of cuts due to come in that labour signed up to, part of that is associated with reducing prison staffing, so if that holds (as labour have committed to) who is going to staff the new prisons they will be building

These are issues that the tory party should be highlighting, i'm sure they can find at least 10 more that they could use to make labour uncomfortable, so the big question is, why aren't they doing it? It should be front page news

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it just means that the 2nd hand car market will continue to rocket. Most cars these days can stay on the road for a long, long time. People just wont buy electric vehicles

They can if you take care of them, there's a LOT more that can go wrong with recent cars that couldn't with older cars. Most people don't really take care of their cars because they expect to have a new one every 5 to 10 years. Maybe that'll change.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The Tories are quoting dates in 2029 for one of their tax cuts to kick in .. that’s fanciful at best and complete nonsense imho


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tax thresholds aren't going to be changed, so as people get their inflation busting pay rises, they are going to pay more tax. That's all baked into the system. The government can be a lot more creative than simply raising tax % to haul in more taxes. It's all smoke and mirrors

[bots]

Interesting .....

Both labour and the tories are 3-4 points down on the latest polls

A YouGov survey of more than 2,200 adults, external, conducted between 12 and 13 June, puts Reform at one point ahead of the Tories for the first time on 19%.

However, this is just one poll. We have had four others published in the last 24 hours, none of which have had Reform ahead and not even all of which had the party gaining ground.

On average, Reform is still four or five points behind the Conservatives.

But this is still bad news for the Tories.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Interesting .....

Both labour and the tories are 3-4 points down on the latest polls

A YouGov survey of more than 2,200 adults, external, conducted between 12 and 13 June, puts Reform at one point ahead of the Tories for the first time on 19%.

However, this is just one poll. We have had four others published in the last 24 hours, none of which have had Reform ahead and not even all of which had the party gaining ground.

On average, Reform is still four or five points behind the Conservatives.

But this is still bad news for the Tories.

Only for the Tories who didn't take off their Tory hat and slap on their Reform cap yet.

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

They are bringing the ban on new sales of petrol, diesel and hybrid cars back to 2030, instead of 2035.

Yes James
worth buying a Hybrid before that date


Then Driving is safe from
lack of charge

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Big brained labour supporters will tell you this is a good thing, actually.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Last week Kier Starmer said "I am a Socialist"

this week on X


Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer

Wealth creation is my number one priority.

Socialism isn't the belief that no one should be rich, it's the belief that no one should be poor..

Starmer isn't a socialist, he's a C

[The Slim Reaper]

This is who the labour party is these days.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling

Looking forward to @UKLabour calling out the threatening behaviour of those
who prevent one of their own female MPs from campaigning, all because she
believes that biological sex is real and important.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Dawn is down with the kids. You get me?

Have you seen The Acolyte's Witches chanting scene?

I've been trying to find the clip again, but no such luck so far.

Anyway, the scene would make this video look cool in comparison.

[Gusto Brunt]

Watching Starmer last night on the BBC, he hardly ever answers questions. He thinks we don't see it that he is avoiding the question but most of us do.

That said I understand they're only questions but what he does July 5th onward is what matters.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Watching Starmer last night on the BBC, he hardly ever answers questions. He thinks we don't see it that he is avoiding the question but most of us do.

That said I understand they're only questions but what he does July 5th onward is what matters.

Yes I was not happy with Nick
giving Strarmer an easy ride.

Nothing New - Joey stated on the thread
he was right.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...7#post11465367

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling

Looking forward to @UKLabour calling out the threatening behaviour of those
who prevent one of their own female MPs from campaigning, all because she
believes that biological sex is real and important.

Yes
Rosie the one sensible Lady MP
in Labour

[bots]

Stamer just needs to get through the next 2 weeks and a few days and he is in Number 10. He doesn't need to chase after votes, he has them. He just needs to keep a calm head and not make any huge mistakes

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Stamer just needs to get through the next 2 weeks and a few days and he is in Number 10. He doesn't need to chase after votes, he has them. He just needs to keep a calm head and not make any huge mistakes

…and that in itself is a huge worry and problem, I think and doesn’t inspire any confidence for a better government to have a leader who ‘didn’t have to try’…we want to see someone striving and fighting to lead as one first step…/…it’s not the only thing by far but it’s something we can’t attribute to him…I agree with much of what Slim says in that it’ll still be more or less a Conservative government under the sub heading of Labour …

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…and that in itself is a huge worry and problem, I think and doesn’t inspire any confidence for a better government to have a leader who ‘didn’t have to try’…we want to see someone striving and fighting to lead as one first step…/…it’s not the only thing by far but it’s something we can’t attribute to him…I agree with much of what Slim says in that it’ll still be more or less a Conservative government under the sub heading of Labour …

It's what the Media wants unfortunately.

Anyone different to that just ends up getting targeted.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…and that in itself is a huge worry and problem, I think and doesn’t inspire any confidence for a better government to have a leader who ‘didn’t have to try’…we want to see someone striving and fighting to lead as one first step…/…it’s not the only thing by far but it’s something we can’t attribute to him…I agree with much of what Slim says in that it’ll still be more or less a Conservative government under the sub heading of Labour …

It's how it generally always is. The tory party have been in power too long, people need a change. We are so used to just getting on with things, that we forget just how bad it's been under the tories these last 5 years

Anytime anyone tries to come in promising big changes, they are rarely successful. The conditions are just not there to do anything radical at the moment and its not what people want.

Depending on the scale of the win/failure, i can see a huge shift coming that will come into play in 5 years time. That's when the real battle will be fought. It will all be about big shifts in political alignment. That's when the radical policies will come into play