[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

All that performance and bluster for 4 seats. Lol.

Nigel achieved in 5 weeks what it took the SNP 22 years to achieve

so put your sneering snobbery aside and accept the huge success Reform UK have achieved

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

is that the new official line?

He will be stammers downfall.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nigel achieved in 5 weeks what it took the SNP 22 years to achieve

so put your sneering snobbery aside and accept the huge success Reform UK have achieved

5 weeks! He's been trying since 1998 don't be daft . Same old rhetoric with a face-lift, that was guaranteed to resonate in 2024 given the general state of politics.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He will be stammers downfall.

Messiah-Farage? Well I'm certainly here for this Poundland Messiah-Trump story arc, maybe @ me when it happens in case I miss these dramatic scenes.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

All that performance and bluster for 4 seats. Lol.

Tbf, for a reasonably new party it's not the worst showing.

Especially considering how corrupt our voting system is towards our two main parties.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He will be stammers downfall.

I think that Starmer will be smart, and not get dragged into drama with Farage.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, for a reasonably new party it's not the worst showing.

Especially considering how corrupt our voting system is towards our two main parties.

UKIP 3.0 is not new.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

UKIP 3.0 is not new.

Is UKIP even still around as a party?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is UKIP even still around as a party?

Yes it's called "Reform" you might have heard of them. AKA also, "The Brexit Party".

[user104658]

Honestly I naively thought that everyone actually knew that Reform is the same cat in a different hat, but apparently people think it's actually new?

Like... It's "new" in the same way that that wee "Morrison's Local" on your high street that used to be a "Spar", and before that a "Nisa" is new. Except that it's the same shop with a new sign outside and a couple of different products. Bob still stacking the shelves, Old Sue still staffing the checkouts.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Messiah-Farage? Well I'm certainly here for this Poundland Messiah-Trump story arc, maybe @ me when it happens in case I miss these dramatic scenes.

Hey, if you are happy to be bent over and drilled up the jacksey by a government that has been proven to have lied to go to war the last time they were in, and helped cover up the most disgusting and heinous of things I could think of in the cheap, aids and hepatitis infected blood scandal. Then so be it.. Others wanted change and voted accordingly, yet seem to be the ones getting ridiculed by you. Very strange why you would do that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Hey, if you are happy to be bent over and drilled up the jacksey by a government that has been proven to have lied to go to war the last time they were in, and helped cover up the most disgusting and heinous of things I could think of in the cheap, aids and hepatitis infected blood scandal. Then so be it.. Others wanted change and voted accordingly, yet seem to be the ones getting ridiculed by you. Very strange why you would do that.

Because they wanted to change to Nigel Farage and co is the simple answer there. Change would be great, I'm certainly no fan of Labour, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for "change to whatever". Farage is an orator, a disingenuous liar, a populist with a crystal clear agenda.

Obviously I understand wanting change, I voted for Scottish Independence when it was on the table, I think it was disastrous for Scotland that it didn't happen, but that ship has long sailed and my idealism along with it. The Tories had to go. Reform is a shower of absolute tits. The options were few and Reform is not the change that anyone needs.

Plus.

They're not new it's just Farage's UKIP, the same song and dance he's been trotting out since 1998. So yes I find it quite funny to see people whacking one out over it.

[Beso]

@Soldier Boy

The lib dems gained a record number of seats. The change wasn't all about farage.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

@Soldier Boy

The lib dems gained a record number of seats. The change wasn't all about farage.

Nothing has meaningfully changed though, the Tories have simply gotten themselves into a farcical and unelectable rut, so their voters have scattered. The more "further right" ones to Reform, the more "central" ones to Labour and Lib Dem, and the working class cohort they'd duped for a decade to a mix of Reform and Labour depending on which paper they were reading - i.e. the same reason they were previously voting Tory.

What will happen though, is that the Tories will be gutted & cleaned and rebrand as "the good old Tories you remember!" and their vote share will jump right back up. I don't see anything at all representing meaningful or lasting change. A tonne of those Reform voters will flip back simply because they believed Reform was a new big player, and have found out otherwise. 4 seats might be unexpected, people who follow politics might realise it's more than what a party like that might usually expect... but the dumb right-leaning TikTok kids who thought Farage had a shot at No. 10 are going to be saying "...4 seats? " and they'll probably go Tory next time as a more "realistic" option.

Though as I said earlier I also think we're going to start seeing increasing numbers of charismatic and/or single-issue Independents actually getting seats.

[Crimson Dynamo]

PMQ's are set to get better!

[Crimson Dynamo]

LIVE: Reform MPs Nigel Farage, Richard Tice, Lee Anderson & Rupert Lowe on
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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Nothing has meaningfully changed though, the Tories have simply gotten themselves into a farcical and unelectable rut, so their voters have scattered. The more "further right" ones to Reform, the more "central" ones to Labour and Lib Dem, and the working class cohort they'd duped for a decade to a mix of Reform and Labour depending on which paper they were reading - i.e. the same reason they were previously voting Tory.

What will happen though, is that the Tories will be gutted & cleaned and rebrand as "the good old Tories you remember!" and their vote share will jump right back up. I don't see anything at all representing meaningful or lasting change. A tonne of those Reform voters will flip back simply because they believed Reform was a new big player, and have found out otherwise. 4 seats might be unexpected, people who follow politics might realise it's more than what a party like that might usually expect... but the dumb right-leaning TikTok kids who thought Farage had a shot at No. 10 are going to be saying "...4 seats? " and they'll probably go Tory next time as a more "realistic" option.

Though as I said earlier I also think we're going to start seeing increasing numbers of charismatic and/or single-issue Independents actually getting seats.

I think ordinarily, your views on this reform nonsense would be spot on, but I think this is a different time. The neoliberal/capitalist destruction of living standards in favour of corporate profits, means people are desperate. Just as we have seen in France with a centrist Macron, doing absolutely nothing to redress societal inequality, leading to the very real prospect of Le Pen, Starmer will follow the Macron path.

We should fear what 2 terms of Starmer inactivity will mean for the electability of extreme right wing politics, in 2029.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think ordinarily, your views on this reform nonsense would be spot on, but I think this is a different time. The neoliberal/capitalist destruction of living standards in favour of corporate profits, means people are desperate. Just as we have seen in France with a centrist Macron, doing absolutely nothing to redress societal inequality, leading to the very real prospect of Le Pen, Starmer will follow the Macron path.

We should fear what 2 terms of Starmer inactivity will mean for the electability of extreme right wing politics, in 2029.

Labour have already started to try and become more palatable to the right wing voters, take a look at their tv campaign adverts for instance.. hardly a black face in them this time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Basildon recount could and should be the 5th Reform seat

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think ordinarily, your views on this reform nonsense would be spot on, but I think this is a different time. The neoliberal/capitalist destruction of living standards in favour of corporate profits, means people are desperate. Just as we have seen in France with a centrist Macron, doing absolutely nothing to redress societal inequality, leading to the very real prospect of Le Pen, Starmer will follow the Macron path.

We should fear what 2 terms of Starmer inactivity will mean for the electability of extreme right wing politics, in 2029.

I agree that there will be a swing back the other way but I'd put a 70%-ish certainty that Labour will scrape another 5 years at the next GE, and by the time the pendulum has fully swung back the Tories will have patched themselves up. Who knows though - as recently as Boris I'd have said that the Tories were unbeatable.

[Zizu]

All that noise for what ??

3 seats

LOL


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

All that noise for what ??

3 seats

LOL


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Now now Zizu don't poke fun - some overzealous individuals were creaming their boxers last night when they thought Nige was getting 10+ seats and are still very very excited at the prospect of 4 or 5. It's exciting times for UKIP.

[Liam-]

The reform result just goes to show how much the media and talking heads overestimated Reforms capabilities, an obvious protest vote was made to seem like an avalanche, an exit poll predicting 13 seats, to end up with only 4? The same amount as the Greens who have vastly less money and backing

[Liam-]

Saw people before the exit poll genuinely celebrating thinking Farage would be the leader of the opposition

[Livia]

Your smiley/laughing emoticons shows how little you understand what has happened.