[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

I agree. It's not that relevant for me. But I know for an absolute fact that I'd have to be spending months, maybe years defending Trump on here from that news.

Only this morning I had to defend him from the "grab her by the pussy" on here. That was year's ago before he was President, in a private lads cock measuring chat.

There's a few differences.

1. I can't think of one lads chat where a guy has said "I like to grab her Pussy, and there's nothing she can do about it" because the guy would get decked in the face as soon as he says that ****, because it isn't banter to most people.

2. Are we really comparing Trump and Kamala being judged for what their family members did, to something that Trump actually said?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

There's a few differences.

1. I can't think of one lads chat where a guy has said "I like to grab her Pussy, and there's nothing she can do about it" because the guy would get decked in the face as soon as he says that ****, because it isn't banter to most people.

That's not quite what was said. But yeah, still gross:

Trump: "Yeah, that’s her, with the gold. I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

Unidentified man: "Whatever you want."

Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

S: https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-remarks-2005/

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

yeah .....it was clear what her agenda was , and I don't get why she's become a ' women's advocate ' just because she slept with Trump and did a kiss & tell ... pretty ridiculous really.

Somewhat of a tangent, but the above quoted transcript is why I don't really take much stock in people like Stormy Daniels. Men and women have both done plenty mutually to get us to this point where we are socially in at least the past few decades, imo. We've gone backwards. It's actually celebrated now to be a self-aggrandizing POS. People don't even have to bother with privacy anymore in being that abhorrent. It's in public, it's in our politics and in how everyday people handle simple conflict and basic interactions now. It creates a basic paranoia that's very difficult to ignore and get past, especially for people who are already less socially inclined. It's creating a loneliness issue.

I understand some may not want Kamala to get into office because she may "set a bad example", but that horse left the barn long ago. Kamala didn't invent the habit of climbing the ladder using her body, but it would be a shame if she ends up being the intellectual shell that some suspect (I don't know) and our actual first female President ends up being "just that". Not quite the stellar figure we had hoped and dreamed of decades ago, but probably what America actually deserves, atm.

Trump's own words should be used against him since he literally affirmed how he himself has benefited from this ladder-climbing behavior... it's just in the reverse, in this case. So I don't think that an argument against Kamala about climbing ladders, etc, can really even work coming from Trump if he is literally on audio bragging about how he was able to get away with so much because of people's tendency to gravitate towards people in power. He's basically saying they were totally compliant, thus it's fine, but I don't hear the argument where it's supporting the problem from the other direction as well... and that's a result of the breakdown in humility in our culture and rising problems between men and women, imo. I'm not sure how that will ever heal. I'm far more concerned about that than I am about race relations, for example, because men and women do tend to mutually set the goalposts in society (otherwise, why bother the other sex constantly to "do moor!!"?) ...and if both are entering into disaffection with one another for whatever reason, then it becomes difficult to move away from any past hurts, societally... whatever the source (racial, etc). Sorry, Feminists/Men's right people... y'all kinda need each other to get your basic demands met for change, imo. There comes a point where the other side simply won't cooperate anymore and I think that's where we're at currently and part of why we experience so many issues...


Kamala becoming President symbolically won't do anything for the above except to check a checkbox on someone's checklist... but I would hope that it takes the temperature down at least enough that people start to focus on each other rather than worrying about what "those others" are doing to stab them in the back... there's just such a problem with even creating simpler trust. Consider increasingly more don't even communicate directly about important matters now. It's all filtered. We literally use stalking websites to "check out" people before real conversations start to even happen and they're usually snuffed out before they can begin. And who knows what actually governs our attention spans and perceptions through those means.... but it's certainly not human connection. Anyway, /tangent over.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

That's not quite what was said. But yeah, still gross:



S: https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-remarks-2005/



Somewhat of a tangent, but the above quoted transcript is why I don't really take much stock in people like Stormy Daniels. Men and women have both done plenty mutually to get us to this point where we are socially in at least the past few decades, imo. We've gone backwards. It's actually celebrated now to be a self-aggrandizing POS. People don't even have to bother with privacy anymore in being that abhorrent. It's in public, it's in our politics and in how everyday people handle simple conflict and basic interactions now. It creates a basic paranoia that's very difficult to ignore and get past, especially for people who are already less socially inclined. It's creating a loneliness issue.

I understand some may not want Kamala to get into office because she may "set a bad example", but that horse left the barn long ago. Kamala didn't invent the habit of climbing the ladder using her body, but it would be a shame if she ends up being the intellectual shell that some suspect (I don't know) and our actual first female President ends up being "just that". Not quite the stellar figure we had hoped and dreamed of decades ago, but probably what America actually deserves, atm.

Trump's own words should be used against him since he literally affirmed how he himself has benefited from this ladder-climbing behavior... it's just in the reverse, in this case. So I don't think that an argument against Kamala about climbing ladders, etc, can really even work coming from Trump if he is literally on audio bragging about how he was able to get away with so much because of people's tendency to gravitate towards people in power. He's basically saying they were totally compliant, thus it's fine, but I don't hear the argument where it's supporting the problem from the other direction as well... and that's a result of the breakdown in humility in our culture and rising problems between men and women, imo. I'm not sure how that will ever heal. I'm far more concerned about that than I am about race relations, for example, because men and women do tend to mutually set the goalposts in society (otherwise, why bother the other sex constantly to "do moor!!"?) ...and if both are entering into disaffection with one another for whatever reason, then it becomes difficult to move away from any past hurts, societally... whatever the source (racial, etc). Sorry, Feminists/Men's right people... y'all kinda need each other to get your basic demands met for change, imo. There comes a point where the other side simply won't cooperate anymore and I think that's where we're at currently and part of why we experience so many issues...


Kamala becoming President symbolically won't do anything for the above except to check a checkbox on someone's checklist... but I would hope that it takes the temperature down at least enough that people start to focus on each other rather than worrying about what "those others" are doing to stab them in the back... there's just such a problem with even creating simpler trust. Consider increasingly more don't even communicate directly about important matters now. It's all filtered. We literally use stalking websites to "check out" people before real conversations start to even happen and they're usually snuffed out before they can begin. And who knows what actually governs our attention spans and perceptions through those means.... but it's certainly not human connection. Anyway, /tangent over.

It's still pretty gross like you've said.

I wouldn't exactly call it a chat that the likes of Ash, Winston, or Marlon would've had during BB15 for example, like Alf is trying to claim.