[Benjamin]

The crowdfund for the families is now at £346,918.

[arista]

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He was a recent convert to islam. That's my take on it. Radicalised in his local mosque.

Cobblers.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

It’s a WhatsApp message. How on bloody earth can you say it looks to be true.

Its an opinion

We are still allowed those I would hope


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Of course, they’re could be truth in it. It’s just a shame some people see things and just accept it to be true (with no actual evidence), and then spread it further.

What on earth are you babbling on about now ?

Nobody has said its true .. just that it may be trie or looks genuine


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[Redway]

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?

Who has suggested that ?


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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Redway

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?

Who said that? Show me them and I will put them right for you.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?

Literally nobody said this .....you're just going on a tangent now .

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Zizu

What on earth are you babbling on about now ?

Nobody has said its true .. just that it may be trie or looks genuine


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Firstly, no need to be a complete toss pot. Maybe try having some manners.

Secondly, my reply to Alf wasn’t referencing you or any individual on here (as I mentioned) so maybe have a read on.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Redway

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?

Where’s that come from? Here or somewhere else (I ask as I can’t say I’ve seen anyone here say that).

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Literally nobody said this .....you're just going on a tangent now .

You’ve literally got people like Vanessa making out like the guy’s a newly-radicalised Islamist on the supposition of nothing tangible. Suddenly religion matters when the guy’s not white.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

You’ve literally got people like Vanessa making out like the guy’s a newly-radicalised Islamist on the supposition of nothing tangible. Suddenly religion matters when the guy’s not white.

I think like a few of us Vanessa is wondering whether he was radicalized, which by looks of it .. seems to hold quite a bit of weight to it . Nobody said only 1 group of people carry a knife, so that's a baseless accusation you just made.

When someone commits an act of terror( as this is lets not sugar coat it)... thoughts go to extremists, incel , psychopath etc etc. And when the viticms are especially little children... it makes the whole thing more disturbed and horrific.

People are trying to figure out why , but it seems you're not allowed to ask questions or have debates these days without being labelled a "phobe" or
" ist " of some kind.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think like a few of us Vanessa is wondering whether he was radicalized, which by looks of it .. seems to hold quite a bit of weight to it . Nobody said only 1 group of people carry a knife, so that's a baseless accusation you just made.

When someone commits an act of terror( as this is lets not sugar coat it)... thoughts go to extremists, incel , psychopath etc etc. And when the viticms are especially little children... it makes the whole thing more disturbed and horrific.

People are trying to figure out why , but it seems you're not allowed to ask questions or have debates these days without being labelled a "phobe" or
" ist " of some kind.

Anyone who thinks I made an accusation against Nessy (who I actually like and respect outside of these matters) needs to grow thicker skin. That’s just first.

Why isn’t it called an act of terror when white men with guns go shooting up schools in the States? Why has LT’s reverse-ironic colour-chart of ‘terrorism’ vs. ‘mental health problems’ gone unchecked and this thread allowed to be his patent little victory-lap of condemning people based on nothing but the colour of their skin?
So many questions that none of these people (including the moderating powers who be) seem prepared to answer just now.

Tell me if this question of him potentially being a radicalised Muslim extremist would even be a thing if the dude was white. And don’t go telling porky cobblers on me now. Let’s just get it straight.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

Anyone who thinks I made an accusation against Nessy (who I actually like and respect outside of these matters) needs to grow thicker skin. That’s just first.

Why isn’t it called an act of terror when white men with guns go shooting up schools in the States? Why has LT’s reverse-ironic colour-chart of ‘terrorism’ vs. ‘mental health problems’ gone unchecked and this thread allowed to be his patent little victory-lap of condemning people based on nothing but the colour of their skin?
So many questions that none of these people (including the moderating powers who be) seem prepared to answer just now.

Tell me if this question of him potentially being a radicalised Muslim extremist would even be a thing if the dude was white. And don’t go telling porky cobblers on me now. Let’s just get it straight.

Well you could also argue ... why is 'mental health' automatically getting used as a reason for someone going on a killing spree?, i mean clearly yes they're mentally unstable... but it isn't always the sole reason for the motivation of their crimes.

school shooters ARE an act of terror.... but they usually get the 'incel' label aswell like i mentioned to you before , the sad reality of that is it's become so common in America.... that school kids have to do 'shooting drill practices ' so that they know what to do in that crisis. I can't imagine what that must feel like to a poor child just wanting to learn and interact with their friends at school.

The way i see it anyone who goes out on a pre mediated murder/attack to go shooting or bombing , or stabbing etc is a terrorist, and no skin colour or religious background will change that for me. Even random acts of violence is still a form of terrorism... but to actually plot and get weapons etc that solidifies it more.

The attempted assassination of Trump was an act of terror .

Another example the Jo cox killer was a terrorist, you could argue his race was brought up as it was a white far right gun nut ... because we all know his motives were political aswell as him being a complete lunatic.

Whether you like it or not race , religion , culture & politics play a part in it all.

Your strange notion of us treating it differently if the killer was white isn't true and is kind of insulting , i can't speak for everyone of course as we all have our different opinions.

But you do realise there's white muslims right ?. And white people get radicalized aswell from allsorts of extreme stuff out there . An now with social media... there's all types of horror out there being drip fed to impressionable people, and people full of hate.

Look at that young guy in America a while ago who posted videos online who was a hardcore incel, he went on a murder rampage just because he couldn't get a girlfriend. we're living in extremely scary times unsafe times.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well you could also argue ... why is 'mental health' automatically getting used as a reason for someone going on a killing spree?, i mean clearly yes they're mentally unstable... but it isn't always the sole reason for the motivation of their crimes.

school shooters ARE an act of terror.... but they usually get the 'incel' label aswell like i mentioned to you before , the sad reality of that is it's become so common in America.... that school kids have to do 'shooting drill practices ' so that they know what to do in that crisis. I can't imagine what that must feel like to a poor child just wanting to learn and interact with their friends at school.

The way i see it anyone who goes out on a pre mediated murder/attack to go shooting or bombing , or stabbing etc is a terrorist, and no skin colour or religious background will change that for me. Even random acts of violence is still a form of terrorism... but to actually plot and get weapons etc that solidifies it more.

The attempted assassination of Trump was an act of terror .

Another example the Jo cox killer was a terrorist, you could argue his race was brought up as it was a white far right gun nut ... because we all know his motives were political aswell as him being a complete lunatic.

Whether you like it or not race , religion , culture & politics play a part in it all.

Your strange notion of us treating it differently if the killer was white isn't true and is kind of insulting , i can't speak for everyone of course as we all have our different opinions.

But you do realise there's white muslims right ?. And white people get radicalized aswell from allsorts of extreme stuff out there . An now with social media... there's all types of horror out there being drip fed to impressionable people, and people full of hate.

Look at that young guy in America a while ago who posted videos online who was a hardcore incel, he went on a murder rampage just because he couldn't get a girlfriend. we're living in extremely scary times unsafe times.

It … blatantly, blatantly is true, though. If it’s not true in your individual case then so be it but that’s the extent of that. Beyond that you shut up and let other people’s actions speak for themselves.

I honestly thought you were different, GH. I know you ain’t gonna be crying into your pillow tonight just because of what some stranger on an Internet-forum has said but I’m disappointed in you. I mean, for God’s sake, LT really even went there with the Kool-Aid reference (blatant racism) and you’re still defending him? Where’s the motive for that coming from and in what universe is that even remotely defensible?

Also. You’ve said it yourself. White men get the ‘mentally unbalanced incel’ label. Terrorism it might be in technicality in a way that squares with your understanding of the terminology when it’s used in an equitable way but that’s not how most people refer to white males who commit acts of mass-violence (least of all LT) and you must know that. And like I said, man even went there with the Kool-Aid reference. That’s just totally below the belt.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

It … blatantly, blatantly is true, though. If it’s not true in your individual case then so be it but that’s the extent of that. Beyond that you shut up and let other people’s actions speak for themselves.

I honestly thought you were different, GH. I know you ain’t gonna be crying into your pillow tonight just because of what some stranger on an Internet-forum has said but I’m disappointed in you. I mean, for God’s sake, LT really even went there with the Kool-Aid reference (blatant racism) and you’re still defending him? Where’s the motive for that coming from and in what universe is that even remotely defensible?

Also. You’ve said it yourself. White men get the ‘mentally unbalanced incel’ label. Terrorism it might be in technicality in a way that squares with your understanding of the terminology when it’s used in an equitable way but that’s not how most people refer to white males who commit acts of mass-violence (least of all LT) and you must know that. And like I said, man even went there with the Kool-Aid reference. That’s just totally below the belt.

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

[Vanessa]

When something awful like this happens they automatically say it's because of mental health. That makes me suspicious. Because it's definitely more than that.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well you could also argue ... why is 'mental health' automatically getting used as a reason for someone going on a killing spree?, i mean clearly yes they're mentally unstable... but it isn't always the sole reason for the motivation of their crimes.

school shooters ARE an act of terror.... but they usually get the 'incel' label aswell like i mentioned to you before , the sad reality of that is it's become so common in America.... that school kids have to do 'shooting drill practices ' so that they know what to do in that crisis. I can't imagine what that must feel like to a poor child just wanting to learn and interact with their friends at school.

The way i see it anyone who goes out on a pre mediated murder/attack to go shooting or bombing , or stabbing etc is a terrorist, and no skin colour or religious background will change that for me. Even random acts of violence is still a form of terrorism... but to actually plot and get weapons etc that solidifies it more.

The attempted assassination of Trump was an act of terror .

Another example the Jo cox killer was a terrorist, you could argue his race was brought up as it was a white far right gun nut ... because we all know his motives were political aswell as him being a complete lunatic.

Whether you like it or not race , religion , culture & politics play a part in it all.

Your strange notion of us treating it differently if the killer was white isn't true and is kind of insulting , i can't speak for everyone of course as we all have our different opinions.

But you do realise there's white muslims right ?. And white people get radicalized aswell from allsorts of extreme stuff out there . An now with social media... there's all types of horror out there being drip fed to impressionable people, and people full of hate.

Look at that young guy in America a while ago who posted videos online who was a hardcore incel, he went on a murder rampage just because he couldn't get a girlfriend. we're living in extremely scary times unsafe times.

We have fairly regular ‘lockdown’ rehearsals in schools across the country !

Just in case there’s a terror attack or crazed attacker in the school.

There’s a special alarm/alert then everyone is locked in a classroom all windows/doors covered so nobody can see into the classroom … pupils are instructed to stay away from the doors and ideally under desks ( in case bullets are fired ) but we don’t tell the pupils that part .

Many younger pupils are freaked out even though they’re told its a practice ..


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[Vanessa]

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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

What a great post Goldie, well done for putting that in such a succint and non baity way

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Redway

You’ve literally got people like Vanessa making out like the guy’s a newly-radicalised Islamist on the supposition of nothing tangible. Suddenly religion matters when the guy’s not white.

Vanessa said radicalisation was possible. People are scrabbling for answers after such an horrific crime. As for the Muslim thing, they've shown themselves to be a religion of violence again and again, all over the world.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Vanessa said radicalisation was possible. People are scrabbling for answers after such an horrific crime. As for the Muslim thing, they've shown themselves to be a religion of violence again and again, all over the world.

Yes I do think he was radicalized at some point.
Radical muslims take advantage of vulnerable people.
They did say he was autistic and introverted?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Livia

Vanessa said radicalisation was possible. People are scrabbling for answers after such an horrific crime. As for the Muslim thing, they've shown themselves to be a religion of violence again and again, all over the world.

That’s pretty much most religions to be fair.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

That’s pretty much most religions to be fair.

Currently, in the world, Islam is a threat. Look at the FBI's most wanted terrorists. The Hindus and Catholics don't get a look in.