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Originally Posted by Redway

It … blatantly, blatantly is true, though. If it’s not true in your individual case then so be it but that’s the extent of that. Beyond that you shut up and let other people’s actions speak for themselves.

I honestly thought you were different, GH. I know you ain’t gonna be crying into your pillow tonight just because of what some stranger on an Internet-forum has said but I’m disappointed in you. I mean, for God’s sake, LT really even went there with the Kool-Aid reference (blatant racism) and you’re still defending him? Where’s the motive for that coming from and in what universe is that even remotely defensible?

Also. You’ve said it yourself. White men get the ‘mentally unbalanced incel’ label. Terrorism it might be in technicality in a way that squares with your understanding of the terminology when it’s used in an equitable way but that’s not how most people refer to white males who commit acts of mass-violence (least of all LT) and you must know that. And like I said, man even went there with the Kool-Aid reference. That’s just totally below the belt.

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

When something awful like this happens they automatically say it's because of mental health. That makes me suspicious. Because it's definitely more than that.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

What a great post Goldie, well done for putting that in such a succint and non baity way

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

Of course I don’t know you like that but I didn’t think you were white. That was part of my point. I’d expect you to know better.

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Originally Posted by Redway

Of course I don’t know you like that but I didn’t think you were white. That was part of my point. I’d expect you to know better.

First Vanessa now it's my turn is it ?. " I should know better" ? ....there you go again being condescending, like you're some upper class headmistress looking down your nose at a poor thick peasant.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

First Vanessa now it's my turn is it ?. " I should know better" ? ....there you go again being condescending, like you're some upper class headmistress looking down your nose at a poor thick peasant.

This isn’t about turns. It’s about pointing out the ludicrous hypocrisy in these arguments.

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Originally Posted by Redway

This isn’t about turns. It’s about pointing out the ludicrous hypocrisy in these arguments.

It's not hypocrisy though is it .

Hypocrisy would be if someone who emigrated to the UK then went on to say that the UK should stop all immigration, which isn't what Vanessa is saying.

She's Italian yeah , But i'm pretty sure if there was a sudden wave of Mafia gangs arriving in the UK and committing crimes from e.g Italy itself.... she'd also have concerns. But that doesn't mean she'd want Italy blacklisted or whatever the term is when a country is seen as a ' high risk warning ' . That's still her home.

The fact is multiculturalism is a great thing , like I said in the other thread ...many of us are from different cultures & backgrounds and Britain is very diverse. So it would be ignorant and silly to say we hate it or are against it.

The situation is more to it than that , and it gets more complicated ... especially when the argument is usually about ' illegal immigration' and not immigration in general. Plenty have come here from all over the world and integrated into the community just fine ,but when we question why some aren't integrating or why crime has gone up then we're the bad people ? .

Just for the record ( I already made this point but I'll make it again) , the 18 year old who brutally killed those kids the other day ... could be any race and any religion and I would still treat him the same way.

People wanted answers. Not everyone is a mindless yob who goes out rioting for the sake of it.

White,black , Asian and others commit crimes, there's no denying that .

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's not hypocrisy though is it .

Hypocrisy would be if someone who emigrated to the UK then went on to say that the UK should stop all immigration, which isn't what Vanessa is saying.

She's Italian yeah , But i'm pretty sure if there was a sudden wave of Mafia gangs arriving in the UK and committing crimes from e.g Italy itself.... she'd also have concerns. But that doesn't mean she'd want Italy blacklisted or whatever the term is when a country is seen as a ' high risk warning ' . That's still her home.

The fact is multiculturalism is a great thing , like I said in the other thread ...many of us are from different cultures & backgrounds and Britain is very diverse. So it would be ignorant and silly to say we hate it or are against it.

The situation is more to it than that , and it gets more complicated ... especially when the argument is usually about ' illegal immigration' and not immigration in general. Plenty have come here from all over the world and integrated into the community just fine ,but when we question why some aren't integrating or why crime has gone up then we're the bad people ? .

Just for the record ( I already made this point but I'll make it again) , the 18 year old who brutally killed those kids the other day ... could be any race and any religion and I would still treat him the same way.

People wanted answers. Not everyone is a mindless yob who goes out rioting for the sake of it.

White,black , Asian and others commit crimes, there's no denying that .

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's not hypocrisy though is it .

Hypocrisy would be if someone who emigrated to the UK then went on to say that the UK should stop all immigration, which isn't what Vanessa is saying.

She's Italian yeah , But i'm pretty sure if there was a sudden wave of Mafia gangs arriving in the UK and committing crimes from e.g Italy itself.... she'd also have concerns. But that doesn't mean she'd want Italy blacklisted or whatever the term is when a country is seen as a ' high risk warning ' . That's still her home.

The fact is multiculturalism is a great thing , like I said in the other thread ...many of us are from different cultures & backgrounds and Britain is very diverse. So it would be ignorant and silly to say we hate it or are against it.

The situation is more to it than that , and it gets more complicated ... especially when the argument is usually about ' illegal immigration' and not immigration in general. Plenty have come here from all over the world and integrated into the community just fine ,but when we question why some aren't integrating or why crime has gone up then we're the bad people ? .

Just for the record ( I already made this point but I'll make it again) , the 18 year old who brutally killed those kids the other day ... could be any race and any religion and I would still treat him the same way.

People wanted answers. Not everyone is a mindless yob who goes out rioting for the sake of it.

White,black , Asian and others commit crimes, there's no denying that .

I ask similarly again, what does illegal immigration possibly have to do with the Cardiff-born scumbag who committed this crime? To the extent of Vanessa going on to create a whole thread on multiculturalism.

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Originally Posted by Redway

I ask similarly again, what does illegal immigration possibly have to do with the Cardiff-born scumbag who committed this crime? To the extent of Vanessa going on to create a whole thread on multiculturalism.

I think it's more of a general discussion,and not just about said Cardiff born scum.

It's also a build up of what's been happening in the UK with the high level of knife crime .

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's not hypocrisy though is it .

Hypocrisy would be if someone who emigrated to the UK then went on to say that the UK should stop all immigration, which isn't what Vanessa is saying.

She's Italian yeah , But i'm pretty sure if there was a sudden wave of Mafia gangs arriving in the UK and committing crimes from e.g Italy itself.... she'd also have concerns. But that doesn't mean she'd want Italy blacklisted or whatever the term is when a country is seen as a ' high risk warning ' . That's still her home.

The fact is multiculturalism is a great thing , like I said in the other thread ...many of us are from different cultures & backgrounds and Britain is very diverse. So it would be ignorant and silly to say we hate it or are against it.

The situation is more to it than that , and it gets more complicated ... especially when the argument is usually about ' illegal immigration' and not immigration in general. Plenty have come here from all over the world and integrated into the community just fine ,but when we question why some aren't integrating or why crime has gone up then we're the bad people ? .

Just for the record ( I already made this point but I'll make it again) , the 18 year old who brutally killed those kids the other day ... could be any race and any religion and I would still treat him the same way.

People wanted answers. Not everyone is a mindless yob who goes out rioting for the sake of it.

White,black , Asian and others commit crimes, there's no denying that .

Goldie

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

First Vanessa now it's my turn is it ?. " I should know better" ? ....there you go again being condescending, like you're some upper class headmistress looking down your nose at a poor thick peasant.

You're entitled to your opinions and I actually agree with it.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

Agree on everything.

[Urban Cragou]

You’re literally a foreigner yourself, Ness. What are you agreeing on?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Redway

You’re literally a foreigner yourself, Ness. What are you agreeing on?

So i can't have an opinion because I'm not British? Wow

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

So i can't have an opinion because I'm not British? Wow

Oh, get over yourself, you. You know what I meant.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Redway

Oh, get over yourself, you. You know what I meant.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
If you don't agree that's fair enough.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
If you don't agree that's fair enough.

You don’t need to validate the fact that my opinions are fair enough. Stop your nonsense.