[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

250 total arrests

now

Here is the main man they want to arrest.

And they will, because they know that will create more unrest, which is what they want.

[Ninastar]

When it was BLM riots or the London riots, or any kind of riot that wasn’t (mainly) white people, the news always portrayed that there was nothing else that could be done because people were hurting and that was a good reason to cause chaos. That society needed to change and only rioting could do that blah blah blah. I remember police stations and locally owned businesses being set ablaze

This time the protests began with people who are upset about the insane things going on with immigration these days

And then of course, trashy idiots take advantage over the protests and just use any excuse to get violent

I know that not all of the BLM and London protestors were idiots who just wanted to loot and mob and set fire.

It’s the same with this situation but people just want to label it racist because the argument is on the political flip side

Not all of these people committing these crimes are ‘right wing’. I feel like we label anything that’s just a tiny bit not left as ‘right wing’ and that just takes away the seriousness of it all

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

When it was BLM riots or the London riots, or any kind of riot that wasn’t (mainly) white people, the news always portrayed that there was nothing else that could be done because people were hurting and that was a good reason to cause chaos. That society needed to change and only rioting could do that blah blah blah. I remember police stations and locally owned businesses being set ablaze

This time the protests began with people who are upset about the insane things going on with immigration these days

And then of course, trashy idiots take advantage over the protests and just use any excuse to get violent

I know that not all of the BLM and London protestors were idiots who just wanted to loot and mob and set fire.

It’s the same with this situation but people just want to label it racist because the argument is on the political flip side

Not all of these people committing these crimes are ‘right wing’. I feel like we label anything that’s just a tiny bit not left as ‘right wing’ and that just takes away the seriousness of it all

The Prime Minister disagrees and has declared every one of them Right-wing thugs.

He had a chance tonight to take that back and put some calm on the situation. Instead he chose to throw more petrol on the fire and doubled down.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Did you see this one from the BBC?

Former detective chief superintendent of the Metropolitan Police was cut off because he went off the narrative.

They won't be ringing him up for an opinion again.

The BBC did go a bit Russia Today in that clip didn't they.

At least let the guy finish making his point before cutting him off.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

[Anti-immigration protesters hold Union Jacks
on Weymouth seafront.
A counter demo by Stand Up To Racism gathered at
the same location further down]

The poor Union Jack already gets associated with racism enough as it is.

If these people really love this country, they wouldn't be having the Union Jack be used to represent such a violent cause.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

When it was BLM riots or the London riots, or any kind of riot that wasn’t (mainly) white people, the news always portrayed that there was nothing else that could be done because people were hurting and that was a good reason to cause chaos. That society needed to change and only rioting could do that blah blah blah. I remember police stations and locally owned businesses being set ablaze

This time the protests began with people who are upset about the insane things going on with immigration these days

And then of course, trashy idiots take advantage over the protests and just use any excuse to get violent

I know that not all of the BLM and London protestors were idiots who just wanted to loot and mob and set fire.

It’s the same with this situation but people just want to label it racist because the argument is on the political flip side

Not all of these people committing these crimes are ‘right wing’. I feel like we label anything that’s just a tiny bit not left as ‘right wing’ and that just takes away the seriousness of it all

Forgetting the left and right wing thought process for a moment, let's consider the real victims are business owners and vulnerable residences. Our governments won't step in to protect them and that says everything to me about what government really supports. In the past, more would be done fairly immediately but now there is plenty of sitting back and speculating to TV cameras instead of dealing with pressing matters actively and firmly. Did the govt suddenly lose the ability to investigate for itself and sort things out? Why is the media sorting it out?

Even if there is no immediate agenda, it is akin to pouring gasoline on a fire because it sends the message to normal folk the politically insane and basic thugs are running society. The longer they sit, the more longterm damage is done for the victims and that means longterm damages for the communities also. Many of those affected may never recover. Even more ironic is that this is why we see more people turning more towards extreme policies to fix things, it's because of their distrust of govt and its systems, which are reinforced by its inaction... and it didn't just start with riots. Riots are a late stage result of a weakened government.

This is one reason why in the US we do maintain a 2nd Amendment. Imagine you become the only person standing between you and your livelihood. That doesn't just mean a literal life. People need a means to survive and that could mean their job, their car, everything they have in those buildings and in their vehicles could be what keeps them sheltered and food on their plate. I feel that doesn't get emphasized enough and that ultimately plays a big role in how average people vote. When these events are on our televisions and we see overpaid idiots on either side contemplating the "good" side effects to watching lives get destroyed, it pushes vulnerable people closer to desperation. But then consider too we each have embedded a drive to survive, which is not evil. It's ultimately noble.

Some will assume money will suddenly come into the communities and make everything OK? I live in a disaster prone area and that money is not as widely available as it is made out to be. There are also other problems money can't solve. So it requires early preparation. But riots... how can anyone foresee when and how that happens and that the govt won't intervene? I don't think the PM intervening is wrong, but I do think they all wait too long and don't make it clear and obvious it won't be tolerated. So each time it happens, it leaves people feeling there are ulterior motives and special interests and thus they start wondering when they will be effected... it's unacceptable.

An example closer to home: The Secret Service was afraid of a somewhat sloped roof. That's supposed to be an agency with a gold standard for providing national security. Now think, this is the kind of thinking that found its way somehow into a govt organization charged with protecting its own interests. I don't want to even begin to imagine what they might find acceptable for the security of the average populace... that's how far we have slipped. So even removing ideology from the entire discussion, it's still a very harsh outlook.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The poor Union Jack already gets associated with racism enough as it is.

If these people really love this country, they wouldn't be having the Union Jack be used to represent such a violent cause.

Stopping the boats isn't violent

Anti-mass immigration isn't violent

Protesting about failed integration isn't violent

The violence by and large is being done by teenagers with no cause

?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Stopping the boats isn't violent

Anti-mass immigration isn't violent

Protesting about failed integration isn't violent

The violence by and large is being done by teenagers with no cause

?

Yes.all these issues are being ignored.
I'm not opposed to immigration, but it has to be regulated. At the moment it's not.
Apparently they also have guns, not only knives.

[joeysteele]

The violence against the Police by these total morons is despicable.
The looting and damage to businesses and even residential buildings too equally so

Who in their right mind would even try to excuse these mindless and dangerous idiots taking to the streets and rioting
If they want their Country back as they say.
Who'd want to be in a Countr where it's brainless, intolerant, prejudiced mob rule that rules supreme.

It's sickening to see these criminal morons both young and older BOTH responsible for criminal damage and assaulting the police.
I agree with Liam on that.
What's even more sickening are the young and older, some of them draped in Union Jacks and St George's colours
Massive disrespect to the National emblems of the Country.

These rioters are vile.
IF anyone REALLY should not be part of the UK and on our streets, then it's these despicable brainless but extremely dangerous morons taking part in these violent riots.

Social media too, should be ensuring support or defence of these destructive idiots is removed and dealt with too.
There's NO defence for these riots, it's purely violent and life endangering CRIME.
Brainless criminals are all that they ALL are who join in with it.
On the streets or from their armchairs trying to excuse any of it.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The violence against the Police by these total morons is despicable.
The looting and damage to businesses and even residential buildings too equally so

Who in their right mind would even try to excuse these mindless and dangerous idiots taking to the streets and rioting
If they want their Country back as they say.
Who'd want to be in a Countr where it's brainless, intolerant, prejudiced mob rule that rules supreme.

It's sickening to see these criminal morons both young and older BOTH responsible for criminal damage and assaulting the police.
I agree with Liam on that.
What's even more sickening are the young and older, some of them draped in Union Jacks and St George's colours
Massive disrespect to the National emblems of the Country.

These rioters are vile.
IF anyone REALLY should not be part of the UK and on our streets, then it's these despicable brainless but extremely dangerous morons taking part in these violent riots.

Social media too, should be ensuring support or defence of these destructive idiots is removed and dealt with too.
There's NO defence for these riots, it's purely violent and life endangering CRIME.
Brainless criminals are all that they ALL are who join in with it.
On the streets or from their armchairs trying to excuse any of it.

Both rioters and the people carrying machetes should be protected. I can't believe police is allowing them to go round with weapons. Shouldn't be allowed

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Stopping the boats isn't violent

Anti-mass immigration isn't violent

Protesting about failed integration isn't violent

The violence by and large is being done by teenagers with no cause

?

Zero evidence whatsoever that the violence and destruction is "mainly" being caused by teenagers, other than you looking at photos of the news and saying "looks like just teenagers to me". Zero.

Are a lot of youths and teens involved? Yes, because they're bored and less likely to understand the potential consequences/don't care (they don't have jobs or homes to lose).

But they're teenagers and kids following the lead of adults. There are plenty of clearly adult skinheads and angry pink faces scattered around those photos -- and even more online (happy to encourage others to "protest" , safe at home with a cup of hot chocolate and Tommy Robinson's YouTube on the big telly).

To say it's just kids with no input from supposed adults is a pathetic and disingenuous lie.

[Beso]

Skinheads!!

Is that what we call bald people these days.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Skinheads!!

Is that what we call bald people these days.

Don't act like you've never heard the term before or don't know what it means and implies Parmy; you're not dumb and know it doesn't mean "random bald men".

[Quantum Boy]

The skinheads in 2024 often in fact have a full head of hair. Guess who I'm thinking of. He's on YouTube.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Skinheads!!

Is that what we call bald people these days.

He is living in a daily mail mid 80s utopia

National Front skinheads in bovver boots



Living each day outside the law
Trying not to do what we did before
Country slag with the Bow Bell voice
So close to the city we ain't got much choice

Council estates or tower blocks
Wherever you live you get the knocks
But the people round here they are so nice
Stop being naughty take our advice

Hersham boys, Hersham boys
Lace up boots and corduroys
Hersham boys, Hersham boys
They call us the Cockney cowboys

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Don't act like you've never heard the term before or don't know what it means and implies Parmy; you're not dumb and know it doesn't mean "random bald men".

Oh I've heard the term, but you're using it to build an online narrative, the same dangerous thing we are told to ignore from the far right bloggers.

[Beso]

Most jew hating 70s and 80s skinheads will be left wingers today.

[GoldHeart]

Whatever politic views ,whether you're left wing or right wing.... inciting violence and justifying weapons ,and destroying businesses & shops is despicable behaviour.

[thesheriff443]

It’s simple violence and and criminal damage will not be rewarded
The problem is we have a vast majority of people of all ages in this country that are simply too stupid to grasp the fact that violent disorder and destruction will not and never will give them a voice that intelligent people will listen to.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s simple violence and and criminal damage will not be rewarded
The problem is we have a vast majority of people of all ages in this country that are simply too stupid to grasp the fact that violent disorder and destruction will not and never will give them a voice that intelligent people will listen to.

I agree sheriff and that it would be a reward is exactly why - even if they end up saying things that "need to be listened to", no government can safely make a change in the aftermath of violence, because it would send a message that "violence works" as a way to get what you want.

It's a larger-scale version of the reason authorities don't like to give in to kidnappers or threats of terrorism.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Most jew hating 70s and 80s skinheads will be left wingers today.

Why would skin heads who are antisemitic & full of hatred , suddenly be ' left wing' ? that doesn't make much sense .... unless they've done a complete 180 and deeply regret their behaviour & actions.

If they still hold those views , they'll either be against any type of democracy & government...or they'll be a big Reform party supporter.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He is living in a daily mail mid 80s utopia

National Front skinheads in bovver boots



Living each day outside the law
Trying not to do what we did before
Country slag with the Bow Bell voice
So close to the city we ain't got much choice

Council estates or tower blocks
Wherever you live you get the knocks
But the people round here they are so nice
Stop being naughty take our advice

Hersham boys, Hersham boys
Lace up boots and corduroys
Hersham boys, Hersham boys
They call us the Cockney cowboys

You can see them in the pictures as clearly as you can see the young lads who are just out for a bit of carnage, and you know it. But by all means let's keep playing.

[Beso]

Well goldheart, all I've seen for months and months in the cities of manchester, leeds and london every weekend is anti semitic left wingers who are full of hatred protesting against the jewish state if Israel.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well goldheart, all I've seen for months and months in the cities of manchester, leeds and london every weekend is anti semitic left wingers who are full of hatred protesting against the jewish state if Israel.

And yet, while that does sometimes spill over into a bit of violence, it hasn't descended into the sort of destruction we've seen over the last few days. Which is strange, if it's all just teenagers looking for "any excuse". Seems that "any excuse" is more "the right excuse".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s simple violence and and criminal damage will not be rewarded
The problem is we have a vast majority of people of all ages in this country that are simply too stupid to grasp the fact that violent disorder and destruction will not and never will give them a voice that intelligent people will listen to.

The problem is people are not being listened to full stop. Labour labelling everyone who raises an issue as Far Right is fueling the fire, so far they have handled this very badly imo, its too easy to label every one as thick and stupid, there are alot of not so thick or not so stupid people who are concerned about getting a GP appointment, a dentist appointment, a hospital appointment, a school place for their child, and to live in safety, time for the government to step up and start addressing and letting the public know how many asylum applications are being processed,how many are granted asylum, how many people are returned, what the timeframe is on reducing the back log.... thats the job off the Home Office.... they are very hot on making sure people who come into the country legally pay their visa costs, not so hot in dealing with asylum application backlogs