[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Who else has been denied victory?

Stacy Abrams. Hillary Clinton. Al Gore.

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We are sore losers. Our politics has always had crackpot theories floating around well before the internet became a major part of our discourse.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

Stacy Abrams. Hillary Clinton. Al Gore.

Youtube video

We are sore losers. Our politics has always had crackpot theories floating around well before the internet became a major part of our discourse.

I was thinking more based on evidence.

But yeah people in general are sore losers, I know because I'm one of them.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I was thinking more based on evidence.

But yeah people in general are sore losers, I know because I'm one of them.

Yeah, I don't understand the question then.

I'm of the mind the system needs tighter regulations and more thorough transparency, but only because the managing of elections has become too political. I don't want Federal oversight though... that's just asking for corrupt elections.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah, I don't understand the question then.

I'm of the mind the system needs tighter regulations and more thorough transparency, but only because the managing of elections has become too political. I don't want Federal oversight though... that's just asking for corrupt elections.

Well Alf was talking about other candidates being "robbed" of the Presidency besides Trump, and I'm wondering who (or whom) he might be referring to.

Tbh I don't really know what system that you guys should go for, because with only two Political parties in your country, it's hard to find a neutral base that could monitor that the votes for each party are genuine votes.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well Alf was talking about other candidates being "robbed" of the Presidency besides Trump, and I'm wondering who (or whom) he might be referring to.

Tbh I don't really know what system that you guys should go for, because with only two Political parties in your country, it's hard to find a neutral base that could monitor that the votes for each party are genuine votes.

Al Gore lost to Bush because of the indentation on voting cards. That was contested in the Supreme court

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bots

Al Gore lost to Bush because of the indentation on voting cards. That was contested in the Supreme court

That sounds absurd.

But then it is America we're talking about.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bots

Al Gore lost to Bush because of the indentation on voting cards. That was contested in the Supreme court

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That sounds absurd.

But then it is America we're talking about.

I am pleased to say in the entirity of the time I have been a voter (2 decades) that I have always voted electronically. Even if some poor hack mismanages my vote, it won't be because of my own foolishness or a paper issue

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well Alf was talking about other candidates being "robbed" of the Presidency besides Trump, and I'm wondering who (or whom) he might be referring to.

Tbh I don't really know what system that you guys should go for, because with only two Political parties in your country, it's hard to find a neutral base that could monitor that the votes for each party are genuine votes.

I don't subscribe to the concept of a perfect system. Every election will have some problem. I just would prefer they be honest and transparent about it, instead of demonizing human error and the occasional bad egg. It only becomes systemic when ignored.

The chase for perfect politics has driven away all possibility for compromises and creative solutions because the ruling parties are penalized for even a basic perceived lack of perfection and thus it is assumed they lack good intuition. Subsequently, I strongly distrust any politician that suggests idealism is enough to craft good policy out of thin air.

I am on mobile so can't flesh out this point too much, but in short, we are dealing with the business of unicorn wrangling instead of searching for and crafting unique talent that can actually enact good policy. When there is nothing to show for it, this leads to ridiculous overpromising by respective parties and thus people vote not knowing any better what they are being sold because they are given too many contradictory choices. Increasingly neither party is allowed room to compromise on lack of perfection, so we stay on the same trajectory despite shifts in representation.

In striving for "perfect", we end up with either gridlock or politicians not caring because they are forced to pass 700-900 page omnibus bills, just to enact a will, which don't even address their main problem. And America goes back and forth between each party with little result despite the fact our thirst for an idealistic representation for America in the world has led us down this path. Thank God for the States, because if national actually ran more of the country in its current state, I'd imagine we would be more like the UK politically speaking where leaders keep changing but nothing progresses... (I'll take a few States out of 50 getting it right, because at least it is something to point at and say "That works!"... only for others to copy)

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well Alf was talking about other candidates being "robbed" of the Presidency besides Trump, and I'm wondering who (or whom) he might be referring to.

Tbh I don't really know what system that you guys should go for, because with only two Political parties in your country, it's hard to find a neutral base that could monitor that the votes for each party are genuine votes.

Alf was talking about Democrats complaning that the election results were rigged and stolen on numerous occasions, but you only care when it was Trump saying it. And there's actually lots of evidence to back up his claim, like stopping the count for days. Boarding up the polling station windows. The fact Biden spent his all campaign in the basement whilst Trump had 3 to 4 packed out rallies daily.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Alf was talking about Democrats complaning that the election results were rigged and stolen on numerous occasions, but you only care when it was Trump saying it. And there's actually lots of evidence to back up his claim, like stopping the count for days. Boarding up the polling station windows. The fact Biden spent his all campaign in the basement whilst Trump had 3 to 4 packed out rallies daily.

It's not about them (Trump included) SAYING it -- As Maru said, people (and Americans especially, or so it seems) are "sore losers" and defensive so his claims are not all that unusual, if childish and undignified.

The difference is that the Trump Truthers not only fully believe his claims, but in fact some go a whole leap further and construct elaborate fantasies about how he's secretly still in control and it's all been part of some grand plan to take down the system all along.

It's 100% reddit/social media fan-fiction.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Alf was talking about Democrats complaning that the election results were rigged and stolen on numerous occasions, but you only care when it was Trump saying it. And there's actually lots of evidence to back up his claim, like stopping the count for days. Boarding up the polling station windows. The fact Biden spent his all campaign in the basement whilst Trump had 3 to 4 packed out rallies daily.

Did the Democrats rile up their vote base to the point that they try to storm Capitol Hill?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Did the Democrats rile up their vote base to the point that they try to storm Capitol Hill?

Not the Capitol building, although I'd have to check to be sure, but yes they did and still do.

And Trump didn't do that. Do you want me to show you again? Or will you still parrot the television even after seeing?