[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Was the 12 year old a concerned parent?

No his uncle was with him the first time,

His Mother has got a Mega fine


The Kid walks free

[Beso]

4 leeds rioters sentenced to 30 years between them..MUST SERVE HALF SENTENCE BEFORE LET OUT ON LICENCE. 3 get nine years, 1 gets 3.

https://youtu.be/n-O1m2NiP0c?si=XshKhTzMtytCuSdE

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Beso

4 leeds rioters sentenced to 30 years between them..MUST SERVE HALF SENTENCE BEFORE LET OUT ON LICENCE. 3 get nine years, 1 gets 3.

https://youtu.be/n-O1m2NiP0c?si=XshKhTzMtytCuSdE

I'm guessing they caused a lot of criminal damage, and/or injured a lot of people?

[The Slim Reaper]

More likely that they were just concerned.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm guessing they caused a lot of criminal damage, and/or injured a lot of people?

Yes..they set a bus on fire, and fuelled the flames with rubbish bins. Nobody was injured though, and the police had already fled the scene.

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Beso

Yes..they set a bus on fire, and fuelled the flames with rubbish bins. Nobody was injured though, and the police had already fled the scene.

So arson then, for which a quick google says 8 - 12 years is not uncommon. sounds like the sentencing was about right.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

So arson then, for which a quick google says 8 - 12 years is not uncommon. sounds like the sentencing was about right.

They should have got the full 12 because they didn't really have a reason to riot.

[arista]

In Finland
BBC reporter
confronts Neo-Nazi who gave
UK rioters arson tips

Video on this link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8l9gpp8yro


[The BBC has confronted a neo-Nazi in Finland
who shared online instructions on how
to commit arson with UK rioters
during the summer.

The 20-year-old was an administrator
in the Southport Wake Up group on the
Telegram messaging app, where he was known as
“Mr AG”. He posted the arson manual,
which was pinned to the top of the group chat.

In late July and early August, the group was key
in helping to organise and provoke protests
that turned to violence in England and
Northern Ireland.

We tracked Mr AG - whose real name is
Charles-Emmanuel Mikko Rasanen - to an apartment
on the outskirts of the Finnish capital, Helsinki.

It was from here, more than 1,000 miles
away from Southport, that the neo-Nazi
took a prominent online role during the UK riots.]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Beso

They should have got the full 12 because they didn't really have a reason to riot.

That shouldn't come into it, because it suggests there are valid "reasons" to riot and set fires.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That shouldn't come into it, because it suggests there are valid "reasons" to riot and set fires.

Well there is, isnt there?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Beso

Well there is, isnt there?

Like?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Beso

Well there is, isnt there?

Protest yes, some civil unrest you could argue yes, something as serious as arson... no. If you deliberately set an uncontrolled fire you are recklessly endangering the lives of bystanders and firefighters. You have no control at all over the scale of it. Unlike, let's say, smashing a few car windows... or stealing a few pairs of shoes... or even physical fighting... fire spreads unpredictably and takes on a life of its own. That's why arson is such a serious charge (over other forms of destruction and vandalism).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did they charge the 2 blokes who set fire to the bus in Leeds?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Like?

Government corruption...continued terrorism by illegal immigrants. Starvation of the population, government taking from the poor to feed the rich.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Did they charge the 2 blokes who set fire to the bus in Leeds?

Yes, that's who I'm talking about..4 of them got 30 years between them..

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Protest yes, some civil unrest you could argue yes, something as serious as arson... no. If you deliberately set an uncontrolled fire you are recklessly endangering the lives of bystanders and firefighters. You have no control at all over the scale of it. Unlike, let's say, smashing a few car windows... or stealing a few pairs of shoes... or even physical fighting... fire spreads unpredictably and takes on a life of its own. That's why arson is such a serious charge (over other forms of destruction and vandalism).

I could argue its also an effective way of getting what you want considering the4 children were returned to the parents 3 days later

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Beso

I could argue its also an effective way of getting what you want considering the4 children were returned to the parents 3 days later

I would counter-argue that this is simply evidence that it was all an over-reaction and a destructive waste of time.

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The Daily Express leads with an interview
with a 13-year-old girl who was sentenced for
violent disorder after taking part
in a riot this summer.]