[Garfie]

Originally Posted by jet

Totally agree Garfie, and that goes for your other posts on Daze as well.

Cheers, Jet.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kate!

I like her, she'll either be an early exit though or fly under the radar for quite some time. We'll see.

Same here.

I respect Daze and Nathan as Housemates, they aren't afraid to say what they think.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Yes, She lists herself as a climate activist but that’s surely something you pursue in your spare time, not a paid profession? I’m getting the impression she is one of those ‘do as I say and not as I do’ people. I thought it was a bit ironic that, as a climate activist, she is happy to pollute the air with her ciggie smoking!

I agree with MysticMock that she doesn’t understand how the Royal Family is funded. She also showed no awareness of the money they bring into the country through tourism, or the workforce that supports.

I’m not a massive Royalist, but I respect the monarchy as it is part of our history and heritage, and personally I think it is important to maintain our traditions, especially when they are such a draw to tourists from other countries.

In or near the DC metro area alone, the massive amounts of overemployment/federally contracted individuals—much of which are military-related—govt property—nor cultural or historical— and other "mixed interests", all to keep up the appearances of a "functional" govt. Even just what we pay to enable worldwide use of a perpetually overactive military here in the States more than overshadows what y'all pay into the system for the Monarchy. Something to consider...

At least the residents of the UK get an ROI in generally positive presentations across the world in some form. Our overspending doesn't even give us that credibility. I'd much rather pay to promote our history, rather than an endless stockpile of bombs, planes and misc equipment to go to countries where most people here can't even find it on a map... and that doesn't even include the other crap we fund...

I would say the Monarchy pays for itself in PR alone. Even if I don't "see the point" to a Monarchy in my own country, I see what it offers the UK in terms of traditions shared via a national identity. It's a cheaper way to do it than what the US has been doing over the past decade or so. Shared identity is very important, especially in nations that are multicultural in origin...

[Maru]

Yeaaaah just got to the task with Lily... **** off Daze lmao. Holy crap. Serious narcissistic vibes.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Maru

In or near the DC metro area alone, the massive amounts of overemployment/federally contracted individuals—much of which are military-related—govt property—nor cultural or historical— and other "mixed interests", all to keep up the appearances of a "functional" govt. Even just what we pay to enable worldwide use of a perpetually overactive military here in the States more than overshadows what y'all pay into the system for the Monarchy. Something to consider...

At least the residents of the UK get an ROI in generally positive presentations across the world in some form. Our overspending doesn't even give us that credibility. I'd much rather pay to promote our history, rather than an endless stockpile of bombs, planes and misc equipment to go to countries where most people here can't even find it on a map... and that doesn't even include the other crap we fund...

I would say the Monarchy pays for itself in PR alone. Even if I don't "see the point" to a Monarchy in my own country, I see what it offers the UK in terms of traditions shared via a national identity. It's a cheaper way to do it than what the US has been doing over the past decade or so. Shared identity is very important, especially in nations that are multicultural in origin...

Great to read your post, as always, Maru, because you always make interesting and thought-provoking points.
Until the Queen’s death I always thought I could give all take the monarchy, but suddenly we lost someone and something that had been ever-present, and I personally experienced feelings of great insecurity and uncertainty. I felt as if I was on a little dinghy in the expanse of an ocean, without any land in sight. That opened up my mind to the sense of stability, strength and safety the presence of the monarchy gave me, as it is so deeply rooted in the history, traditions and culture of our country. It was then I realised that I needed it there as a continuing presence.

I also felt so very proud of the British people and how we responded as a country. We came together and were united as one entity. As a country, it allowed us to show the best of ourselves, our values and our characteristics as people.
In addition, it was so amazing and so very touching to see the impact that the Queen’s passing had around the world, and in countries that I would never have expected our monarchy to have any relevance, importance or respect. It felt global, and as if the world had also come together because of something so very British.

I will never forget President Macron saying something like ‘ To the British people, she was their Queen, but to the world she was the Queen’. It was one of many beautiful things said that stays with me and still makes me emotional even now. As a result I had to ask myself how could we, as a country, fail to see the value of our Royal Family?

I love Charles as a King, as he is so connected to the people, and demonstrates warmth, strength, affection and appreciation where ever he goes. I think he is wonderfully in touch with his emotions and his people.. I admire his values too, and can now recognise how far ahead of his time his thinking has always been. I see him almost as the Father of our country, and he has brought back that feeling of safety and security I thought was lost.

[Mystic Mock]

I didn't appreciate everywhere shutting down when the Queen passed away though.

Obviously it's a shame that she passed away, but that doesn't mean that the country should have a Covid style shutdown over it imo.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I didn't appreciate everywhere shutting down when the Queen passed away though.

Obviously it's a shame that she passed away, but that doesn't mean that the country should have a Covid style shutdown over it imo.

What shut down, though? Nothing shut down in my area, and that certainly wasn’t my experience. A COVID style shutdown would suggest that nothing was open and everyone was isolated, but it was anything but that, as people were coming together and sharing a collective experience as a nation, so I’m not really understanding your point.

Maybe it just hit differently for different people?

I think it’s another case of experiences and perceptions differing

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

What shut down, though? Nothing shut down in my area, and that certainly wasn’t my experience. A COVID style shutdown would suggest that nothing was open and everyone was isolated, but it was anything but that, as people were coming together and sharing a collective experience as a nation, so I’m not really understanding your point.

Maybe it just hit differently for different people?

I think it’s another case of experiences and perceptions differing

Shops and events all shutdown during the whole thing.

It was like being in lockdown all over again.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Shops and events all shutdown during the whole thing.

It was like being in lockdown all over again.

Seriously? Lockdown? This comment makes no sense. We were free to go wherever we wanted to, at any point in time. Also, shops and events didn’t all shut down!

I’m finding this a very strange comparison and not a true representation of that period of time at all.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Shops and events all shutdown during the whole thing.

It was like being in lockdown all over again.

All of hospo was still open, as were many retail places. It was nothing like lock down. The only major things not to be open were offices, and some retail. Christmas Day has more things closed.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

All of hospo was still open, as were many retail places. It was nothing like lock down. The only major things not to be open were offices, and some retail. Christmas Day has more things closed.

Thank you, Benjamin! I was beginning to question my own sanity there!!

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Maru

I would say the Monarchy pays for itself in PR alone.

That, and they pay more in taxes than they receive from them.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Great to read your post, as always, Maru, because you always make interesting and thought-provoking points.
Until the Queen’s death I always thought I could give all take the monarchy, but suddenly we lost someone and something that had been ever-present, and I personally experienced feelings of great insecurity and uncertainty. I felt as if I was on a little dinghy in the expanse of an ocean, without any land in sight. That opened up my mind to the sense of stability, strength and safety the presence of the monarchy gave me, as it is so deeply rooted in the history, traditions and culture of our country. It was then I realised that I needed it there as a continuing presence.

I also felt so very proud of the British people and how we responded as a country. We came together and were united as one entity. As a country, it allowed us to show the best of ourselves, our values and our characteristics as people.
In addition, it was so amazing and so very touching to see the impact that the Queen’s passing had around the world, and in countries that I would never have expected our monarchy to have any relevance, importance or respect. It felt global, and as if the world had also come together because of something so very British.

I will never forget President Macron saying something like ‘ To the British people, she was their Queen, but to the world she was the Queen’. It was one of many beautiful things said that stays with me and still makes me emotional even now. As a result I had to ask myself how could we, as a country, fail to see the value of our Royal Family?

I love Charles as a King, as he is so connected to the people, and demonstrates warmth, strength, affection and appreciation where ever he goes. I think he is wonderfully in touch with his emotions and his people.. I admire his values too, and can now recognise how far ahead of his time his thinking has always been. I see him almost as the Father of our country, and he has brought back that feeling of safety and security I thought was lost.

A great post Garfie!

[Mrluvaluva]

She's opinionated and full of ****. She reiterates what she believes to be the truth. She doesn't listen (which is the only way you can learn something). Her facts are sometimes completely wrong. Manipulative.

I mean "I'm worried about climate change but let's have a ciggy"...

Maybe I just don't like her.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Seriously? Lockdown? This comment makes no sense. We were free to go wherever we wanted to, at any point in time. Also, shops and events didn’t all shut down!

I’m finding this a very strange comparison and not a true representation of that period of time at all.

It must've been different where you lived then, because where I lived became a ghost town.

But then my area is very much like Nathan in being very pro-royals.

Not that I'm saying that there's anything wrong with being pro-royals.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

All of hospo was still open, as were many retail places. It was nothing like lock down. The only major things not to be open were offices, and some retail. Christmas Day has more things closed.

Maybe it was different in the cities?

[Ammi]

…I don’t think she’s awful but she can get a bit shouty, shouty/preachy when she’s trying to put forward her opinion and others voice any disagreement with it…she has to accept that people will disagree and that the only way to find solutions to things/world changes etc is to listen to other voices…she can tend to have a ‘well I KNOW because I’ve experienced and others haven’t had my experience so they’re wrong…’ type vibe, which in itself shows a lack of ‘KNOWING’ because it’s too blinkered and restricted….knowing is listening, surely…

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Maybe it was different in the cities?

I don’t live in a city

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I don’t think she’s awful but she can get a bit shouty, shouty/preachy when she’s trying to put forward her opinion and others voice any disagreement with it…she has to accept that people will disagree and that the only way to find solutions to things/world changes etc is to listen to other voices…she can tend to have a ‘well I KNOW because I’ve experienced and others haven’t had my experience so they’re wrong…’ type vibe, which in itself shows a lack of ‘KNOWING’ because it’s too blinkered and restricted….knowing is listening, surely…

As The Dali Lama said..."When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new." We should all have an open mind.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

As The Dali Lama said..."When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new." We should all have an open mind.

not too open, or your brain will fall out!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Great to read your post, as always, Maru, because you always make interesting and thought-provoking points.
Until the Queen’s death I always thought I could give all take the monarchy, but suddenly we lost someone and something that had been ever-present, and I personally experienced feelings of great insecurity and uncertainty. I felt as if I was on a little dinghy in the expanse of an ocean, without any land in sight. That opened up my mind to the sense of stability, strength and safety the presence of the monarchy gave me, as it is so deeply rooted in the history, traditions and culture of our country. It was then I realised that I needed it there as a continuing presence.

I also felt so very proud of the British people and how we responded as a country. We came together and were united as one entity. As a country, it allowed us to show the best of ourselves, our values and our characteristics as people.
In addition, it was so amazing and so very touching to see the impact that the Queen’s passing had around the world, and in countries that I would never have expected our monarchy to have any relevance, importance or respect. It felt global, and as if the world had also come together because of something so very British.

I will never forget President Macron saying something like ‘ To the British people, she was their Queen, but to the world she was the Queen’. It was one of many beautiful things said that stays with me and still makes me emotional even now. As a result I had to ask myself how could we, as a country, fail to see the value of our Royal Family?

I love Charles as a King, as he is so connected to the people, and demonstrates warmth, strength, affection and appreciation where ever he goes. I think he is wonderfully in touch with his emotions and his people.. I admire his values too, and can now recognise how far ahead of his time his thinking has always been. I see him almost as the Father of our country, and he has brought back that feeling of safety and security I thought was lost.

Super post Garfie!

[Kazanne]

Went right off her in the task, sly and manipulative.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Went right off her in the task, sly and manipulative.

ah wondered where you were Kaz

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

ah wondered where you were Kaz

I'm watching it Cherie ,just finding it hard to find a stand out,so far I like Ali (the ginger haired girl I think )I don't mind Nathan and a couple of others,but early days for me yet.Hope you are well Cherie xxxx

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm watching it Cherie ,just finding it hard to find a stand out,so far I like Ali (the ginger haired girl I think )I don't mind Nathan and a couple of others,but early days for me yet.Hope you are well Cherie xxxx

All good tx Kaz hope you are too, no stand outs for me either, liking Nathan that is about it