[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

Maybe he was praying for guidance for the task that lay ahead....

Well you might be right on that tbf.

Another reason why that tweet that @Zizu put up is being harsh towards him imo.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This is also true lol

But I get the feeling some of them never know when to drop things. I think Nathan,Daze & Ali continue to fight to have the last word .

Tbf I can relate to the three of them on that.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't see why ,when Khaled is religious/ Muslim
anyway. It's not like an atheist was pretending to pray .

It is kinda belittling ..using something sooo important to trick someone


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[jet]

Khalid was excellent in the way he handled the killer nomination. He gave very clear and fair reasons - and he respectfully shut Ali up when she once again stuck her nose in....she was floundering for a change!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It is kinda belittling ..using something sooo important to trick someone


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Oh come on

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jet

Khalid was excellent in the way he handled the killer nomination. He gave very clear and fair reasons - and he respectfully shut Ali up when she once again stuck her nose in....she was floundering for a change!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Oh come on

Not to me or you .,

Some religious folk see things differently


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[Garfie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's going to kick off , Khaled is now the scapegoat. And his nomination power gives them another excuse to bitch about him.

You were so right with this prediction.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Not to me or you .,

Some religious folk see things differently


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They're probably a bit more extreme though imo.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

They're probably a bit more extreme though imo.

Too right .. some people get stoned to death for less !!


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Too right .. some people get stoned to death for less !!


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Some get it for being raped which is just... Interesting.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Maru

She's mad he's not clear about how he feels and is being fake and now he's being honest and she's like "Stop being fake!"... no, she's digging...

"You're accusing me of villifying you"... "now everyone will perceive this"... but it's OK for her to label him fake?...

This was my thought process. Personally, I didn’t see any problem with the way he expressed himself, and his explanation for his difficult decision was logical. I don’t think he deserves to be attacked, and I have to agree with Nathan’s comments. It's like everything he does is perceived as negative by some housemates, whether it’s justified or not. He can’t win!

[Abra]

Khaled was great tonight in how he stood up to Ali, her targeting of him has truly been the strangest thing of this season so far.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Oh come on… he didn’t go at Ali the same way he was going at and has gone at Daze before. He didn’t like that she “insulted” him by calling him out on how he speaks to her.

Sorry, missed this and didn't see it in time.

Talking to Daze & Ali are night and day. I think Daze would be easier in some ways, because for the most part, she's just hyper-emotional and needs a sounding board. It would be easier to listen to what she has to say than to try to force some point. That doesn't mean that others don't also need the chance to be heard, and in Daze's case, she wasn't just accusing him of a faux pas, she made it very personal and said he was being vicious... (which she then shifts and says the crime was that it made her feel it was vicious...)

Ali would try as usual to get people to concede to her points so that her unique observational skills are openly acknowledged. It wouldn't go anywhere after a point if she starts talking "at" a person rather than with them. If she wants to state her feelings as facts, that's her prerogative. So to that...

I do agree with you with Nathan on the last bit. He will gravitate towards the highest power in the current friend group (clearly Ali). (Or I should say the current group most welcoming to him)

I think as far as the two people whom were having some issues with him, the less that is said is better. Both have strong views of some of the people they live with and are trying to frame it in a way that makes it appear less harmless/hostile. It's OK to dislike someone. I'm not on board with this idea of being forced to get on with anyone in the house (especially in a particular way), as long as that person is honest with themselves and acts accordingly, then I think that's perfectly fine. His relationship with Ali is clearly better than it is with Daze, but I don't see how that's a Nathan problem per say. Daze could solve that problem but frequently opts for conflict because her particular complex has her thinking that because others don't readily acknowledge her in the room, it automatically means they must massively dislike her somehow... hence the accusations about appearing to be "vicious."

Most of the issues happening right now come from the fact that some of the HMs clearly think they're smart enough to navigate themselves around issues by talking the loudest. The public will see right through it anyway, so there's absolutely no point in talking oneself into circles just to score a few extra points to "look less bad".

Khaled could took a chill pill as far as being overly reactionary, but I think for the large point he's done "OK".

Daze, imo, if she had 5-10 more years on her in terms of life experience, she could actually do a stellar job in BB. She has the character and the ideas to go with it. She needs to learn to speak clearly her about points without involving her own emotion so heavily. People are generally thirsty for conversation (and conflict even). It's just become a lost art. Conflict does not have to be toxic, harmful or deleterious to anyone's emotional health to be successful. Conflict can be used to form tighter bonds with one another and it's about the only meaningful way we can manage disagreement. Allowing people like Ali to infantilize her in the house so Ali can satisfy her own savior complex are not doing her any favors. It helps Ali because of course it does, but it robs Daze of a valuable opportunity to go beyond her current understandings of life and learn for herself what exists outside any walls she's maybe self-created.

Ali is Ali. Enough has been said on the point, so it doesn't need repeating.

I want both Ali and Daze to be better than they're being. They have a lot to contribute, but going very poorly about it atm. Nathan is adjusting to the game as far as I can tell and is not appearing to be going out of his way to seek conflict (just saying his piece), so it's a hard pill for me to swallow to suggest he's actively trying to pursue starting something up with anyone in there.

Sorry for the word wall. I went out for a walk at the park and had more thoughts, apparently. So please consider this a general posting of my thoughts rather than a reply.

Edit: Rewording

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Too right .. some people get stoned to death for less !!


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He didn't fake pray though, he actually prayed, using it as an excuse to clear the room

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He didn't fake pray though, he actually prayed, using it as an excuse to clear the room

Thats not how some perceived it though


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[Maru]

He's mentioned prayer numerous times on the show (it sounds like he does a lot), so I didn't think much of it. It's the first time they showed him actually praying though, so if it timing looks bad, maybe blame BB?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Maru

He's mentioned prayer numerous times on the show (it sounds like he does a lot), so I didn't think much of it. It's the first time they showed him actually praying though, so if it timing looks bad, maybe blame BB?

Well he had no intention of praying he just used it to move the guys out of the way .. that’s what bothered some people online



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[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Nathan does like to wind Daze up I've noticed.

I do think she could've worded herself better though, because "vicious attack" does sound OTT.

And I do like both Nathan and Daze.

Oh he definitely enjoys it but all I was trying to say is that I can see why she felt like he was attacking her because he loves to try and put her in her place by winding her up and he did it again last night yet didn’t try and go for Ali until Ali spoke up in defence of Daze even though he disagreed with Ali just as much with the nomination argument. I can see why Daze feels like he’s targeting her even if he doesn’t mean to, I don’t think it helped with the way he came at her and tried to force an apology from her for saying “vicious attack” even if she used it when she probably could have worded it differently.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by jet

Khalid was excellent in the way he handled the killer nomination. He gave very clear and fair reasons - and he respectfully shut Ali up when she once again stuck her nose in....she was floundering for a change!

Exactly how i saw things..

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Abra

Khaled was great tonight in how he stood up to Ali, her targeting of him has truly been the strangest thing of this season so far.

Khaled conducted himself so well

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well he had no intention of praying he just used it to move the guys out of the way .. that’s what bothered some people online



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Those people online need to get out more and get fresh air , they sound like they've been cooped up too much .

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well he had no intention of praying he just used it to move the guys out of the way .. that’s what bothered some people online



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Maybe he killed two birds with one stone and prayed at the same time

Anyway, people need to chill

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Those people online need to get out more and get fresh air , they sound like they've been cooped up too much .

They share the same religion as Khaled - is the point ..

It matters not a jot to us ..


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[Vanessa]

They never learn. Another rule break