[bots]

you really can't take anything from the final act that saw him perish. It was years of self abuse that brought him to that inevitable point. It's like saying keith moon died in a swimming pool because he couldn't swim

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by bots

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

Well if 'we' have seen the same thing happen over and over, then what does that tell you?

Some people can fight it, others can't. People face different battles. Some have more resilience and brain chemistry is different

Your view is over simplistic. It's not the reality.

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Addiction is hard. I speak for experience. It's not easy to get rid of at all.
Many people manage it, but then relapse.

Yes they do.

I hope you managed to get rid of it.

I have a close friend who has an addiction. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water you can't make it drink. There really is only so much you can do unless that person wants to help themselves and unfortunately some can't.

[bots]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Your view is over simplistic. It's not the reality.

Of course it's reality, there is nothing complicated about it at all

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well if 'we' have seen the same thing happen over and over, then what does that tell you?

Some people can fight it, others can't. People face different battles. Some have more resilience and brain chemistry is different

Your view is over simplistic. It's not the reality.



Yes they do.

I hope you managed to get rid of it.

I have a close friend who has an addiction. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water you can't make it drink. There really is only so much you can do unless that person wants to help themselves and unfortunately some can't.

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

Very sorry to hear that ness xx

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Very sorry to hear that ness xx

He tried so hard bless him. But it really isn't easy at all. I miss him everyday. He was a good soul.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by bots

Of course it's reality, there is nothing complicated about it at all

I strongly disagree

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

<3 x

[Redway]

I battled a bit of mild alcohol addiction from 2018-21 (minus 2020) but I made it.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Redway

I battled a bit of mild alcohol addiction from 2018-21 (minus 2020) but I made it.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

I battled a bit of mild alcohol addiction from 2018-21 (minus 2020) but I made it.

Virtual hug !!


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[Redway]

And some people swear down that cannabis and psilocybin are more problematic drugs than alcohol. Again, the hypocrisy makes me sick.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

I’m sorry to hear that V.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

My condolences.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He tried so hard bless him. But it really isn't easy at all. I miss him everyday. He was a good soul.

I know it’s not easy, the mother of my daughter died from alcohol and pain killer abuse

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Redway

I battled a bit of mild alcohol addiction from 2018-21 (minus 2020) but I made it.

It’s a great achievement to get your life back

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I know it’s not easy, the mother of my daughter died from alcohol and pain killer abuse

Aw I'm so sorry sheriff

[Redway]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s a great achievement to get your life back

It is. The drinking was holding me back in lots of ways and I even lost a great job because of it. There were other issues on the job but the drinking was the final straw. At that point I was so unabashed about it that I’d be getting through half a bottle of gin and 3 litres of Strongbow and not even try to cover it up or hide/get rid of the bottles when the morning lot came in. I just didn’t care to hide my drinking. I could’ve been doing bits with ITV had I not been such an alcoholic but 2018 me just didn’t want to help myself, so I got sacked. The drinking problem cost me way more money than that but that’s just one example of how it cost me a really good opportunity and permanently closed a door on me for no reason. I’d give my all to that company if they took me back tomorrow now but they’re not trying to risk taking back an ex-alcoholic so it’s a no-go.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Terribly upsetting. Poor baby

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bots

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

Jesus Christ

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He also had Cheryl and let her slip through his fingers ??


That’s on a parr with Gerard Pique and Shakira !!


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Maybe he had his reasons

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

Sorry to hear that Vanessa…it is a difficult battle and quite often lost sadly.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Oh it's not me. My late brother. He battled years of addiction, but didn't make it.

So sorry Vanessa

Hugz


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bots

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

Hmmm…I find that hard to accept. Instant fame and fortune is fine until it starts to dwindle. Although those opportunities were there some find it difficult to deal with..we have seen it happen to so many. Drugs and alcohol are readily available and when your life turns around and that fame disappears it must be easy to turn to them as an escape..and addiction sets in. It’s a vicious circle and unless you have a strength within to stop the self destruction it’s inevitable that things will spiral out of control and a life ends because of it.
I’m sure his family are not relieved it’s over…they probably had hope that he could get through it. It’s just all very tragic for everyone involved.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

i find it difficult to have any sympathy for a drug addled popstar who had every opportunity in life and chose to self destruct. We have seen the same thing happen over and over throughout the years. It could well be that his family are relieved it's all over

No one chooses it bots, and this is a very ugly post for anyone who has lost someone to addiction.

The fact that we see so many people who got rich & famous young lose themselves to drugs, alcohol and depression should indicate strongly that it isn't, in fact, "every opportunity" at all and seems to leave a lot of them - maybe even most of them - feeling rather empty.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He was found with a whiskey glass, his lighter and a mobile phone with his body, sounds like a tragic accident rather than suicide,probably balancing on the balcony railing and just fell

From the sounds of it it really could be either an impulsive jump or as there are reports that he was being erratic "when conscious", there's also the possibility that he was leaning on the balcony and simply passed out cold.

But he has openly talked about suicidal thoughts in the past so on balance of probabilities I personally think he "chose" to jump - to the extent that anyone can really make a choice in that state.