[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I don’t rate all guests, but I find this guy to be really perceptive - he thinks about people and situations on a deeper level and is able to express his views clearly and intelligently.

He also seems to have a kindness and sensitivity that gives him a natural ability to approach others in a way that makes them feel comfortable, and also encourages them to be open to rethinking and reassessing their own views, where necessary.

He’s the sort of person I feel would be really interesting to sit down and have discussions with. Good on Danny Beard, whoever you are!

I’d definitely recommend taking a look, Vesavius.

I agree with you on Danny Beard.

He puts his points across really well on the Show imo, it's actually quite shocking to see tbh.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Well.. She has self-diagnosed herself as being on the spectrum.

I have to disagree here. Well, they might be autistic traits I agree (I DM for a social club playing D&D with Asperger kids) but having them doesn't make you necessarily autistic.

It's just my personal view based on what we have seen here but I don't see Ali as that or if she is it's so mild as to be irrelevant. That's just my personal view on the TV that we have seen though. I could be wrong I know.

I’m not sure why you’ve said her condition is self-diagnosed, as personally, I’ve seen nothing to suggest that, and I can definitely see strong Autistic traits in her.

Ali’s Autism is not so mild it is irrelevant - if it was irrelevant she wouldn’t have any traits or symptoms. Yet, she clearly does have symptoms, which have been repeatedly displayed by her misunderstanding of social settings and through her difficulty in functioning effectively and appropriately within them..

Given that my work is to identify, support and mentor students on the Autistic Spectrum, I can only come at this from my experience.

I think the important thing to recognise is that Autism is, by its very nature, a wide spectrum, and that is how it is officially understood. Therefore, if someone has Autistic traits, they have Autistic Spectrum Disorder -ASD. A diagnosis of ASD means you have some form of Autism, which can present in various different ways, depending on which traits a person has. Basically, therefore, if you have Autistic traits, you are, in fact, officially classed as Autistic.

Ali is more high-functioning and has a milder form of Autism, which basically means she is still Autistic, but that her traits would place her on the less impactful end of the Spectrum.

Asperger’s actually means a person has very high-functioning Autism - this diagnosis would mean that an individual is intellectually extremely able, and will generally be a high achiever academically and professionally. Their condition will impact on how they think, understand and function on a social basis. It is still a form of Autism though.

I can understand why some people perceive Ali in a certain way, and why she can be judged very negatively or harshly. I recognise myself that her Autistic traits are not enabling her to present herself well at all at times, and I certainly don’t agree with much of her thinking or her interpretations of others or situations.

Sadly, the vicious and distressing cycle she has found herself in, is not unusual for people with Autistic traits, and she definitely needs someone with understanding of her condition to help guide her out of certain ways of thinking and away from certain behaviours. I honestly believe she will perceive things very differently once she has had time to review the footage and her own behaviour. I think she will have some sadness and regrets, and will judge herself harshly.

Ironically, her behaviour is , in fact, emphasising the impact of her Autistic traits, rather than the irrelevancy of them.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I’m not sure why you’ve said her condition is self-diagnosed

Because it's true.

But, like I say, I help run a social club for kids with Aspergers weekly, I am familiar with the whole thing and have done my reading.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I agree with you on Danny Beard.

He puts his points across really well on the Show imo, it's actually quite shocking to see tbh.

I’m glad you’ve had the chance to see him. I ought to do him the justice of finding out more about him, rather than just referring to him as the guest or the guy in L&L! I really like him and think I’m a bit of a fan, in all honesty!

Are you able to see any LF tonight? I’ve clicked on it repeatedly, but it’s not taking me to BBLive as it usually does, but to other programmes instead, strangely.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I’m glad you’ve had the chance to see him. I ought to do him the justice of finding out more about him, rather than just referring to him as the guest or the guy in L&L! I really like him and think I’m a bit of a fan, in all honesty!

Are you able to see any LF tonight? I’ve clicked on it repeatedly, but it’s not taking me to BBLive as it usually does, but to other programmes instead, strangely.

I haven't watched any LF tonight, so I'm afraid I can't help you.

And tbh I don't know much about Danny Beard either.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Well.. She has self-diagnosed herself as being on the spectrum.



I have to disagree here. Well, they might be autistic traits I agree (I DM for a social club playing D&D with Asperger kids) but having them doesn't make you necessarily autistic.

It's just my personal view based on what we have seen here but I don't see Ali as that or if she is it's so mild as to be irrelevant. That's just my personal view on the TV that we have seen though. I could be wrong I know.

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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I’m not sure why you’ve said her condition is self-diagnosed, as personally, I’ve seen nothing to suggest that, and I can definitely see strong Autistic traits in her.

Ali’s Autism is not so mild it is irrelevant - if it was irrelevant she wouldn’t have any traits or symptoms. Yet, she clearly does have symptoms, which have been repeatedly displayed by her misunderstanding of social settings and through her difficulty in functioning effectively and appropriately within them..

Given that my work is to identify, support and mentor students on the Autistic Spectrum, I can only come at this from my experience.

I think the important thing to recognise is that Autism is, by its very nature, a wide spectrum, and that is how it is officially understood. Therefore, if someone has Autistic traits, they have Autistic Spectrum Disorder -ASD. A diagnosis of ASD means you have some form of Autism, which can present in various different ways, depending on which traits a person has. Basically, therefore, if you have Autistic traits, you are, in fact, officially classed as Autistic.

Ali is more high-functioning and has a milder form of Autism, which basically means she is still Autistic, but that her traits would place her on the less impactful end of the Spectrum.

Asperger’s actually means a person has very high-functioning Autism - this diagnosis would mean that an individual is intellectually extremely able, and will generally be a high achiever academically and professionally. Their condition will impact on how they think, understand and function on a social basis. It is still a form of Autism though.

I can understand why some people perceive Ali in a certain way, and why she can be judged very negatively or harshly. I recognise myself that her Autistic traits are not enabling her to present herself well at all at times, and I certainly don’t agree with much of her thinking or her interpretations of others or situations.

Sadly, the vicious and distressing cycle she has found herself in, is not unusual for people with Autistic traits, and she definitely needs someone with understanding of her condition to help guide her out of certain ways of thinking and away from certain behaviours. I honestly believe she will perceive things very differently once she has had time to review the footage and her own behaviour. I think she will have some sadness and regrets, and will judge herself harshly.

Ironically, her behaviour is , in fact, emphasising the impact of her Autistic traits, rather than the irrelevancy of them.

The same people keep repeating the same old crap about Ali .. all kinds of criticism will be repeated and exaggerated and portrayed as factual to put her in a bad light


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[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You basically linked an X post as your only actual evidence.

No.

link the actual source here or stop posting it.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Because it's true.

But, like I say, I help run a social club for kids with Aspergers weekly, I am familiar with the whole thing and have done my reading.

I’d say that the other guy trumps your social club expertise if he is ACTUALLY paid to identify, support and mentor students on the Autistic Spectrum ffs


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The same people keep repeating the same old crap about Ali .. all kinds of criticism will be repeated and exaggerated and portrayed as factual to put her in a bad light


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The public are speaking week in, week out. Her friends are gone. She has half a scruff bag left to cuddle in her bed, that shes always in if there isnt a task.(eyes on that this coming week)

Walk the talk, do the crime do the time...out the back door in a huff by Thursday is my prediction.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You basically linked an X post as your only actual evidence.

No.

link the actual source here or stop posting it.

In fairness, nobody has any proof that Ali's faking having Autism either.

I'm going to personally choose to take her at her word over something like having Autism, because I don't get what benefits she'll get out of lying about it, especially if she gets caught lying.

[GoldHeart]

Ali trying to fall out with Hanah , i think Hanah had another great HL show .

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

why are you even being allowed to continue to troll here like this? Go away.

I have been trying to explain things whilst you simply abuse me … yet I am in the wrong ??


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

In fairness, nobody has any proof that Ali's faking having Autism either.

I'm going to personally choose to take her at her word over something like having Autism, because I don't get what benefits she'll get out of lying about it, especially if she gets caught lying.

Ahe has adhd mock..watch the first weeks highlights again. She says she self diagnosed herself with autistic traits.

I honestly wouldnt make that up mate.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't believe that Ali would risk potentially getting caught out in such a lie.

It's not a provable lie though, is it?

It's a self-diagnosis.

She clearly understands this.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

It's not a provable lie though, is it?

It's a self-diagnosis.

She clearly understands this.

I'm just personally not comfortable with questioning people's possible disorders.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm just personally not comfortable with questioning people's possible disorders.

Actual medical disorders, no.

Self-diagnosed claimed disorders, yes.

But you do you, it's all good.

[GoldHeart]

I mean t would be pretty warped and messed up to lie about having a condition/ medical situation.. that is beyond her control. I agree she's manipulative and calculating, but i'm still going to believe she really has autism/ ADHD. Because why lie ?...even if it's from a sympathy woe is me tactic, people still need to be held accountable.

All this does is make us have more of an understanding , that her social cues etc will be different to others and she will react differently in situations. But she can still be criticised. And i am still seeing patterns in her i don't like, i know it must be difficult with that condition. But at the same time... i am not going to put her on a special pedestal.


But i will say i think some people may exaggerate or assume certain symptoms, like someone like Lily will probably be seen as someone with ADHD. But she's just acting like an irritating brat for the cameras and for attention .

[Beso]

She probably has goldheart bit it's the fact ahes self diagnosed the autism traits that get up my nose.

Take her job for example, wouldnt you, as a client of hers or a prisoner relying on her take of things for reports and stuff want to know officially the mental well being of whoever is doing your report?

[Beso]

Music for Alis eviction..

A comedy mash up of frankie goes to Hollywood's two tribes

[GoldHeart]

I've said i think her line of work is puzzling considering how she handles people, and situations quite badly at times. I do wonder how she actually is in a professional setting.... outside of BB . Imagine a fly on the wall documentary about that.

I wonder if she's mis diagnosed a few people, and misread things, which ok we're all human and make mistakes. But she likes to psycho analyse alot , and she talks in riddles.. as if she knows what she's talking about most of the time.

[Beso]

The way she says things and what's shes saying sounds as though it makes sense. But what we see simply contradicts it all.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Beso

The way she says things and what's shes saying sounds as though it makes sense. But what we see simply contradicts it all.

Which is why i cannot support or take to her .

Dean was doing the same thing, but he was alot more horrible and nasty. And he was like her lap dog in a way.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

The thing is, GoldHeart, any claims that Ali is lying should be evidenced, or else it’s nothing more than an unsubstantiated allegation - no more than an assumption. If there is evidence of this, why not share it to prove the allegation is true? That’s what makes no sense to me, as the argument could be so easily resolved. shrug:

And your second paragraph is so important. Just because someone has a certain condition, which Ali is showing all the signs she does, it doesn’t mean you have to like them or that they can’t be criticised if they behave in an inappropriate way. I have even made criticisms of some of Ali’s actions myself, and I certainly don’t agree with all her judgements of other housemates and situations.

To me, it’s about doing so with some understanding and sensitivity rather than going to the extremes and making hate-filled or offensive comments that could be hurtful for other forum members and get very close to crossing certain lines. It’s the somewhat aggressive and attacking approach that I feel is unnecessary.

And I would extend that to other housemates too, whether it be Marcello, Hanah, Khaled, etc, who have also been victim to similar extreme attacks.

I personally think that both Marcello and Ali have had some OTT attacks on here throughout the series from some people.

I get it tbf as it can be very easy to de-humanize a Housemate that you don't like, I have been pretty guilty of that myself in the past BB's.

What extreme attacks has Khaled had though, isn't he just a popular dude?

[Ammi]

…I don’t know where ‘self diagnosis’ with Ali came from tbh…I know that she had a conservation with some housemates in the early days and explaining her condition…she’s diagnosed apparently with ADHD and displays Autistic traits …that so far as I know is her diagnosis and condition…which would mean that she’s on the Autism spectrum because of whatever traits she displays…I mean, I don’t know what of that is self diagnosed, that she said …oh, I think that I might be ..etc…?…I’ve never understood the ‘self diagnosis’ bit and I’ve missed where that was specifically said….