[Swan]

On Late and Live, Dean straight up admitted he was completely lying about accusing Marcello of cooking for everyone to get in their good books, and avoid nominations. Dean even said Marcello's cooking was lovely. This, and everything else considered (that's already been covered in the thread) really does make you question Dean even further as to whether there is any truth to his accusations.

[Cherie]

I wonder if James is a nickname for Dean

As for the title of this thread Will and AJ did not cut him off they asked him why it had never been mentioned before by Dean in the house, the video is quiet clear, they gave him time to expand?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm adding this ,in case it hasn't been added yet .

Yazzfetto talking common sense & facts .

Youtube video

the video is here, thanks Goldie

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I wonder if James is a nickname for Dean

As for the title of this thread Will and AJ did not cut him off they asked him why it had never been mentioned before by Dean in the house, the video is quiet clear, they gave him time to expand?

I think James is a security guard ,the housemates must have had dealings with or something lol.

Yeah exactly,why didn't Dean give an example of the homophobia . All he did was talk about the Amsterdam comment,which of course the L & L audience lapped up for his own arrogant
amusement .

Then he goes on to be a foul delusional hypocrite by talking about Emma & Sarah like they're beneath him. He probably thinks he's a protected class ,and can't be misogynistic or a bigot himself. But I'm seeing all those traits in him...and he projects it onto others.

He really is a bitter twisted individual.

[*mazedsalv**]

If Dean told me the sky was blue and clouds were white, I wouldn't believe him. He's a nasty man, and i don't for one second believe what he says.

Plus if Marcello really was those things, then Dean is too. Hating masculine men, and also calling Sarah a bitch...

Lets be honest if Marcello did say something, do we really think Ali wouldn't have used that as a reason to nom him? But nothing...

Martha on Kerry's live yesterday stated that Marcello has never been homophobic.

[FromBB8]

The one thing I wonder, and sorry if it's already been said on the thread - if Marcello was homophobic, why wouldn't he have nominated him this week? He said he'd have picked Emma and Nathan on Late and Live.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It depends on if you think Marcello is actually making Misogynistic comments.

I would personally argue that his humour is not very politically correct, but I wouldn't necessarily say that he is Misogynistic.

Unless most of the female Housemates liking him are wrong, and Ali is correct?

His humor is not very PC at all and social boundaries clearly don't exist for him like it does for many, but he does talk in what can easily be construed as an offensive manner and if someone who is in the line of sight of that feels that comment could target them (as a group qualifier), I can understand being offended by it... suggesting he's a predator though and going after certain groups is a bit of a stretch. I think even Marcello knows there's a line somewhere... I don't know that BB would warn him specifically, though. ITV seems a bit more relaxed than C5 in that they don't want to interfere in anything. Where they have compensated is in casting people like Trish & Ali, who no matter what you can say about them, will easily point these things out and make it difficult for it to go further than a comment here and there... I would've thought some of the others might've said things as well, but now I don't know ... so I can only assume it's not as bad as it's made to be in clips or that this particular cast is just that passive when it comes to people like Marcello.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He probably said " Do you want some food I cooked Dean"

And Dean probably said " yea mate " ,then he twisted it in his mind to be homophobic .

Dean goes out of his way to be offended, obviously I've used a silly example with cooking food ....but I wouldn't be surprised if it's something as mundane and silly as that. He even admitted to lying about Marcello manipulating with his cooking, so how credible is any of his words ?.

He probably wishes Marcello was worse than he is ,so then he can be like " see I told you " . I think he gets satisfaction at people's downfall .

I don't know that he goes out of his way. He's not a going out of his way to do anything kind of person unless provoked. I think he processes everything from his sleeve... he's relatively in tune with his feelings one minute to the next, sure, but I just don't think he understands what the heck is going on half the time as to the house and the environment in there. You'll notice he does very little digging or introspection about others and their motives. He's always self-assured one way or another. He often assumes intent and relies on his half-baked form of "intuition"... He said on L&L, for instance, he's highly spiritual. I believe that to be certainly possible, but when we've seen him talk about these things, it's been hinted or outright spoken about his ability to examine/address things. Almost in a mystical sense. It's all very passive and relying on hunches and not really an active way to participate in the house...

...and so when he talks about what he sees, I can't help but think that he's too deep in his own sense of things rather than engaging people 1-on-1 and challenging his own basis... my whole takeaway from his time there was that he was a fence sitter, until he wasn't for one reason or another, then he would strafe back to his "Home" position where he could live on predicting things from afar without actually contributing much at all to the dynamic. It's only when he saw opportunities to vent and let out these inklings that we suddenly saw... oh, this actually who he is ... (That's unfortunate...)...

In this way, he doesn't have to actually be held accountable for any of the things he might be wrong on, so he's so self-convinced on everything and everything he does... It's a way to cop out of the difficult parts of dealing with others. He definitely is not a people-person, which I do get, but it made him a very weak HM for me overall...

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think James is a security guard ,the housemates must have had dealings with or something lol.

Yeah exactly,why didn't Dean give an example of the homophobia . All he did was talk about the Amsterdam comment,which of course the L & L audience lapped up for his own arrogant
amusement .

Then he goes on to be a foul delusional hypocrite by talking about Emma & Sarah like they're beneath him. He probably thinks he's a protected class ,and can't be misogynistic or a bigot himself. But I'm seeing all those traits in him...and he projects it onto others.

He really is a bitter twisted individual.

I do agree to a good degree with some of that for sure, but I think it's less than conscious. He's so self-assured he doesn't see much farther than his nose... and it's very willful... for some that's more than enough to launch a verbal attack and then retreat before they get the response... I don't think that kind of person is very interested in responses, which is why most of this stuff he's said now didn't come out until L&L... so my view is this, if we only just heard about it now, then it probably really wasn't that bad of a comment...

[rusticgal]

At least Danny Beard put Dean in his place…

[moon_peach]

Originally Posted by BBXX

This is an excellent well balanced post. Bravo.

Thank you! ☺️

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cal.

The most offensive thing I found about that interview wasn’t even this it was just how shite AJ & Will are at their jobs. Sack ‘em!

Not AJ.

[BBXX]

Not what it's worth, I don't think Dean lied particularly, but I do think he probably read too much into something Marcello probably said and felt it was homophobic. However, until we're provided with any proof, we can't just believe Dean and take his word for it.

He came across terribly in the interview, so hostile.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Not what it's worth, I don't think Dean lied particularly, but I do think he probably read too much into something Marcello probably said and felt it was homophobic. However, until we're provided with any proof, we can't just believe Dean and take his word for it.

He came across terribly in the interview, so hostile.

…this is what I feel also…I mean, if you see someone in a negative light…which he seems to have with Marcello…that who Marcello is represents ‘toxic masculinity’ for Dean…if that ‘vision’ and perception is already planted in him, then that’s what he’ll see…he will micro analyse everything to seek that toxic and it’s that thing…look for it and you will find it…because you will find something that your thoughts can mould into it, you know…?….

…some words/actions from Marcello have been quite questionable but not only have we not seen homophobia but there has been no reference to it from any housemate up until Dean’s words and nothing referred to in any nomination…

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…this is what I feel also…I mean, if you see someone in a negative light…which he seems to have with Marcello…that who Marcello is represents ‘toxic masculinity’ for Dean…if that ‘vision’ and perception is already planted in him, then that’s what he’ll see…he will micro analyse everything to seek that toxic and it’s that thing…look for it and you will find it…because you will find something that your thoughts can mould into it, you know…?….

…some words/actions from Marcello have been quite questionable but not only have we not seen homophobia but there has been no reference to it from any housemate up until Dean’s words and nothing referred to in any nomination…

Exactly. It is worth remembering that misogyny and homophobia often do come hand in hand (that is to say those who exhibit misogynistic views often exhibit homophobic ones too) so while I wouldn’t be surprised, it would be unfair to take Deans comment as factual.

[FromBB8]

Tonight's Late and Live will give us a better idea because production/friends & family have had time to 'coach' Dean. We've seen backtracking before on the second interview.

My concern is, if too many controversial moments happen in the post eviction interviews, they'll push them back, so Sunday night would become the first rather than second.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

Tonight's Late and Live will give us a better idea because production/friends & family have had time to 'coach' Dean. We've seen backtracking before on the second interview.

My concern is, if too many controversial moments happen in the post eviction interviews, they'll push them back, so Sunday night would become the first rather than second.

Or better still ,why don't they not have him on L&L .

[Dogeatdog]

There’s a lot we don’t see in the house. Marcello has made his fair share of bad comments regarding women and stuff but I do feel like if something homophobic was said by him they would’ve done something about it by now and it would’ve been mentioned by the other housemates as well.

I do feel like Dean came across bitter in his eviction interview and I’m questioning really as to whether there is any truth to these accusations. I get the impression that Dean is only making these allegations because of the masculinity comments he made about Marcello in the first place during the task and how bad that made him look.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Dogeatdog

There’s a lot we don’t see in the house. Marcello has made his fair share of bad comments regarding women and stuff but I do feel like if something homophobic was said by him they would’ve done something about it by now and it would’ve been mentioned by the other housemates as well.

I do feel like Dean came across bitter in his eviction interview and I’m questioning really as to whether there is any truth to these accusations. I get the impression that Dean is only making these allegations because of the masculinity comments he made about Marcello in the first place during the task and how bad that made him look.

Yep, there is nothing that the leftist ultra progressive BB production team doesn't see and there is zero chance that they would allow actual homophobia fly.

Dean's playbook is when all else fails, call someone an 'ist' pr 'phobic' slur.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yep, there is nothing that the leftist ultra progressive BB production team doesn't see and there is zero chance that they would allow actual homophobia fly.

Dean's playbook is when all else fails, call someone an 'ist' pr 'phobic' slur.

This !

And he thinks he's got an automatic special pass to be as horrible & nasty as he likes,under the guise of " oh I'm being honest" . L& L should reject him from tonight's show. We don't need to see this pathetic waste of space again .

[Maru]

I don't know that the production is as lefty as it's being portrayed. I do believe their casting is a very wide net and people selected to appeal to/cause outrage in that demographic... so I'd argue that the "lefty" presentation is for entertainment-only.

The problem with Dean is that yes, it's OK to be honest around the people he knows because they all agree with him... go outside of any of that and try the being honest part again, it doesn't always quite work that way in the real world... people will disagree, it's only natural...

[GlitterUK]

If BB can look back at footage for rule breaks in such detail they can look back at alleged comments. Rather than cutting him off, they should have turned the tables and asked when/what he said and did he report it to the DR so those comments can be checked. BB like scandal/drama so if he had said comments they would have shown it knowing BB.

Dean just comes across as vile and bitter.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yep, there is nothing that the leftist ultra progressive BB production team doesn't see and there is zero chance that they would allow actual homophobia fly.

Dean's playbook is when all else fails, call someone an 'ist' pr 'phobic' slur.

That's my impression of Dean too.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

If BB can look back at footage for rule breaks in such detail they can look back at alleged comments. Rather than cutting him off, they should have turned the tables and asked when/what he said and did he report it to the DR so those comments can be checked. BB like scandal/drama so if he had said comments they would have shown it knowing BB.

Dean just comes across as vile and bitter.

Especially considering last night's show when they were all asking personal graphic questions . Emma had no filter with what she said. So I doubt they'd hide Marcello's comments.

Dean just wanted to play the card to destroy Marcello's character, because it's too easy to see someone like Marcello and use him as a scapegoat.

Dean thinks he's a protected class,that can spout any garbage. When in reality whether you're gay , different race , from a different country, whatever gender you are ...you can still be as
bigotted and ignorant as the next person .

He kept calling Emma "bitch " like he was being funny, when if Marcello did it ... he'd be called a woman hater . The same rule should apply to Dean.

[Swan]

I feel like had he said anything remotely homophobic, Dean would have told Ali (if she wasn't there for it), and Ali would have been quite vocal about it. No way would Ali be hugging, holding hands, and having a laugh with Marcello had been in any way homophobic in the house.

[MTVN]

C'mon that's pretty funny

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by MTVN

C'mon that's pretty funny

Yeah, that's funny.

Imagine being such hard work and so insufferable that you take a joke like that as 'homophobic'.