[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by FromBB8

I do wonder whether BB called Hanah to the Diary Room to gauge her opinion.

Actually this could be true

[Mrluvaluva]

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in. I don't think Sarah meant it in a malicious way and I'm not actually sure it was a warning because they normally say something along the lines of "Big Brother has no other option but to issue a warning because of this". I think they were just having a chat to bring to Sarah's attention that she had upset others. Maybe Hanah could have handled it slightly better but ultimately it creates discussion and something might be learnt from this.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in.

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Even if I was, Sarah's allowed to tell a joke.

Are we seriously so lost as a society that people are seriously going to defend BB for warning a Housemate over a controversial joke?

Years ago everyone would've rightly condemned BB for being so stupid.

I’m really not gonna agree with you on this one, Mock. Racism’s no joke and it never has been. She didn’t mean it like that, okay, but if a misunderstanding of that implied kind happens, I’d see it as common decency as much as it is their duty of care to point out to Sarah why the joke didn’t land in the way she was hoping it would. It’s really not about being a snowflake or too quick to take offence. When you’ve never been the target of marginalisation and discrimination it’s easy to not understand why some people might interpret certain things you say and do in a negative light but really B.B. had as much right to have a quiet word with Sarah as a black woman has to tell people not to touch her hair if she’s not cool with it, or just assuming by-default that it’s okay to touch it. On the other side you might understand completely but there is a way to respectfully hold space for your words and actions and just try and see it from the other side’s perspective. It would be a different story if she was put up for eviction just for that but having a word with her definitely wasn’t inappropriate.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

It’s all-too easy to say that from a position of privilege.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

She said in the show why she wouldn't confront Sarah over the comment and she was 100% correct in her reasoning.

If Sarah kicks off over being confronted then that tells everyone watching the Show that Sarah is an idiot that can't handle people having issues with her conduct.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

She knows the ability to play the racist card is the ultimate power in BB and no further noise is required. Acting offended is enough.

Hanah isn't stupid. She understands how this works.

I agree.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

Of course you can give offence if you cause someone to feel offended. As in they caused offence because....

We're all different. No matter what our personal views are. I would just apologise in this instance stating that I intended no malice in what I said and let it blow over.

I'm not easily offended but others are.

Unless I've misinterpreted your comment...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well they all go to the Dr when something is bothering them . She also spoke to Segun about it. But yeah she probably should have confronted Sarah ,but I think she was trying to initially laugh it off ,but it seemed to really upset her deep down.

Well a warning is a warning, it's not like BB kicked her out . Which has happened in the c5 days ... sometimes we didn't even get shown the reason. Remember Lewis F
,we never knew what he did to get removed.

Lewis F reportedly got thrown out over a joke about Auschwitz, which if true is even worse than Sarah's punishment.

Jokes should never be punished by BB, I will always passionately defend a Housemates right to tell a joke.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s different when there are racial connotations, though, Mock. I don’t think Sarah intended to come across that way and it really is most-likely what she says it is but I really don’t think you can expect Sarah not to get a talking to for making a comment that could potentially be seen as offensive, whether that’s how she meant it or not. We all have the capacity to offend people and no-one’s above a talking-to about it.

No, BB has no right to tell a Housemate what they can and can't joke about, there is no rule on BB that says that they can either.

But even if there was, it would still be wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

We are soooo many years past this point that it's but a distant dream.

The fact that some people are justifying policing jokes is just... Concerning to say the least.

We really need to come together as a fandom and tell BB that it's wrong to do what they did to Sarah last night, because it simply was wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in. I don't think Sarah meant it in a malicious way and I'm not actually sure it was a warning because they normally say something along the lines of "Big Brother has no other option but to issue a warning because of this". I think they were just having a chat to bring to Sarah's attention that she had upset others. Maybe Hanah could have handled it slightly better but ultimately it creates discussion and something might be learnt from this.

BB shouldn't be having a word with Sarah about it either.

They should leave Sarah to her own devices, unless she does something that warrants BB's attention.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No, BB has no right to tell a Housemate what they can and can't joke about, there is no rule on BB that says that they can either.

But even if there was, it would still be wrong.

Like I said, it was just common decency, Mock. If I said something that potentially came across as offensive in such a fundamentally serious way and I didn’t mean it like that, I’d want to know about it, if nothing else to prevent future misunderstandings and square it with an apology there. Racism and xenophobia are too serious for things like that (intentional or not, and I really do believe it was unintentional in the case of Sarah) to just be wrapped up as a joke. It’s just like making an allusion to black people being monkeys because Segun or Makosi ate a banana. It might not be intended but if it comes across as potentially racially offensive, it’s only right to be called up on that. And, again, it’s easy to dismiss these things as “just a joke” when you’re not part of a group that’s been historically marginalised or oppressed but you’ve just got to have that awareness and understand how what you say might come across as a certain way to someone from that group. So far as your intentions are good and it’s not truly beyond the bounds of what could be understood as a joke from either side, hopefully that’s as far as it goes, and as for as B.B. is concerned that is the end of the matter where Sarah’s involved. It wasn’t a punishment. It was just a quiet word.

I know you don’t mean any harm yourself but I’m really not going to agree with you on this one.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m really not gonna agree with you on this one, Mock. Racism’s no joke and it never has been. She didn’t mean it like that, okay, but if a misunderstanding of that implied kind happens, I’d see it as common decency as much as it is their duty of care to point out to Sarah why the joke didn’t land in the way she was hoping it would. It’s really not about being a snowflake or too quick to take offence. When you’ve never been the target of marginalisation and discrimination it’s easy to not understand why some people might interpret certain things you say and do in a negative light but really B.B. had as much right to have a quiet word with Sarah as a black woman has to tell people not to touch her hair if she’s not cool with it, or just assuming by-default that it’s okay to touch it. On the other side you might understand completely but there is a way to respectfully hold space for your words and actions and just try and see it from the other side’s perspective. It would be a different story if she was put up for eviction just for that but having a word with her definitely wasn’t inappropriate.

I think that we're going to have to agree to disagree Redway.

A joke is not the same as some stranger touching your hair without asking as that's an invasion of someone's personal space.

Plus Ali has made Misandrist gameplay moves and comments throughout the series, is she going to get a warning for that then? Or other dodgy moments that other Housemates have had that haven't been politically correct, but weirdly haven't been pulled up by BB.

Btw I don't want these Housemates pulled up by BB, but fair's fair at the end of the day.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think that we're going to have to agree to disagree Redway.

A joke is not the same as some stranger touching your hair without asking as that's an invasion of someone's personal space.

Plus Ali has made Misandrist gameplay moves and comments throughout the series, is she going to get a warning for that then? Or other dodgy moments that other Housemates have had that haven't been politically correct, but weirdly haven't been pulled up by BB.

Btw I don't want these Housemates pulled up by BB, but fair's fair at the end of the day.

Yeah, I think I gathered.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yeah, I think I gathered.

[GlitterUK]

It makes me wonder if Sarah was doing too well for their liking so had to take her down a bit.

Lily should be talked to about the screaming.

[Mrluvaluva]

In Sarah’s own words...

After informing Segun Shodipo of the matter, Hanah subsequently entered the Diary Room to explain her dissatisfaction with the remark, explaining that she was “irritated” by the line and “didn’t find it funny.”

Sarah was later called to the Diary Room, with Big Brother explaining that Sarah’s choice of language around the political reference had “impacted other Housemates”, adding that the “Big Brother House [was] made up of people from all walks of life with different life experiences.”

“I’d obviously like to say that if I offended anybody by making that kind of joke, I am genuinely 100% remorseful,” said Sarah in reply. “That is down to my own stupidity and selfishness thinking that me making a joke with word play and being like ‘haha good joke’ and not thinking with forethought about how that would affect other people.

“That perhaps the original phrase would offend or have connotations too. People's feelings are totally valid and if they do feel offended by that I am so so sorry. I have no malice in my heart. I have no malintent against anyone.”

Big Brother added that they “cannot permit language which is likely to be considered offensive by Housemates or the viewing public”, with Sarah ending by saying that she “very much” understood why concerns were raised.

[Maru]

woops again...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Like I said, it was just common decency, Mock. If I said something that potentially came across as offensive in such a fundamentally serious way and I didn’t mean it like that, I’d want to know about it, if nothing else to prevent future misunderstandings and square it with an apology there. Racism and xenophobia are too serious for things like that (intentional or not, and I really do believe it was unintentional in the case of Sarah) to just be wrapped up as a joke. It’s just like making an allusion to black people being monkeys because Segun or Makosi ate a banana. It might not be intended but if it comes across as potentially racially offensive, it’s only right to be called up on that. And, again, it’s easy to dismiss these things as “just a joke” when you’re not part of a group that’s been historically marginalised or oppressed but you’ve just got to have that awareness and understand how what you say might come across as a certain way to someone from that group. So far as your intentions are good and it’s not truly beyond the bounds of what could be understood as a joke from either side, hopefully that’s as far as it goes, and as for as B.B. is concerned that is the end of the matter where Sarah’s involved. It wasn’t a punishment. It was just a quiet word.

I know you don’t mean any harm yourself but I’m really not going to agree with you on this one.

Fair enough.

I personally think that anyone making monkey or ape comments towards black Housemates (like Caroline did to Adam years ago like someone else has referenced on here tonight) is probably not joking imo, as I wouldn't even know where the punchline would even be.

[madman411]

This is why Big Brother doesn't work in this day and age. We are too politically correct for a show like this to work now. Big Brother is all about the social experiment, raw and uncut nature of humans living together in a confined space. I do not justify Sarah's comment in any way, but with the good comes the bad, and we have to take both on the chin. This doesn't even scratch the controversy that was CBB5 which warranted the reaction it got. Sarah and Hannah should've had a conversation about it and made their peace, end of story.

The OP is right - this is not a sanitized Disney production, although the way it's being edited does give hints of American soap opera.

[jones89]

Originally Posted by Redway

Like I said, it was just common decency, Mock. If I said something that potentially came across as offensive in such a fundamentally serious way and I didn’t mean it like that, I’d want to know about it, if nothing else to prevent future misunderstandings and square it with an apology there. Racism and xenophobia are too serious for things like that (intentional or not, and I really do believe it was unintentional in the case of Sarah) to just be wrapped up as a joke. It’s just like making an allusion to black people being monkeys because Segun or Makosi ate a banana. It might not be intended but if it comes across as potentially racially offensive, it’s only right to be called up on that. And, again, it’s easy to dismiss these things as “just a joke” when you’re not part of a group that’s been historically marginalised or oppressed but you’ve just got to have that awareness and understand how what you say might come across as a certain way to someone from that group. So far as your intentions are good and it’s not truly beyond the bounds of what could be understood as a joke from either side, hopefully that’s as far as it goes, and as for as B.B. is concerned that is the end of the matter where Sarah’s involved. It wasn’t a punishment. It was just a quiet word.

I know you don’t mean any harm yourself but I’m really not going to agree with you on this one.

So Sarah says a joke.. totally not meaning to be offensive but someone takes offence.. why should that be Sarah’s fault? Some people should work on not being so offended by things that clearly were not meant to be offensive.. it’s a two way street

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Fair enough.

I personally think that anyone making monkey or ape comments towards black Housemates (like Caroline did to Adam years ago like someone else has referenced on here tonight) is probably not joking imo, as I wouldn't even know where the punchline would even be.

Is that Caroline from BB13? She was a messy bish but I liked her.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Is that Caroline from BB13? She was a messy bish but I liked her.

Yeah, she called Adam a Gorilla at one point in the series.

And I definitely found her to be an interesting watch, I'll meet you halfway on that.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

BB shouldn't be having a word with Sarah about it either.

They should leave Sarah to her own devices, unless she does something that warrants BB's attention.

The problem with BB is they are very inconsistent when it comes to what is and isn't offensive,in this day and age...I think it's safe to say it's got to the stage where people have to be careful. We have gotten very PC ,but at the same time...I think BB is worried about complaints.

In the past housemates have definitely said far worse, the fact you're saying a housemate called a black person a " monkey " ( I actually didn't know about that ) , I didn't watch that series. That most definitely has racist tones.

I agree with you on parts ,you know I hate censorship. But obviously it depends on the situation. I think a big part of this must have been the fact Hanah herself didn't find it funny .

It may also have something to do with the fact Sarah & Hanah don't exactly have that type of friendship/ they're
not as close , another example is when Khaled got offended by her comments in the garden task... again they don't have that strong relationship, some friends who get on well and know eachother , will roast eachother and even make risque jokes.

And the fact it was about " gloating" already a negative trait, so Hanah was never going to take it well.

Interesting Nathan's comments once again get brushed off ,he called Khaled's group " fake & vain" ,but it seemed to get forgotten about .