[bots]

it's amazing what a couple of glasses of alcohol can do to lubricate conversation

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Probably someone who doesn't want to be interrupted while she was speaking. You know like when Hanah confronted Lily for her interrupting her? Kind of like that.

Fair enough. But the tone is incredibly patronising and doesn't engender people to see her point of view or even want to give her the time of day, as I'm sure you realise.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Looks like someone finally lays blame at Ali's door for enabling Lily's behaviour.

Or rather, looks like at least Emma and Marcello do so. And I'll bet Nathan and Hanah pitch in, too. And Ali with her 'I'm speaking' nonsense. Marcello's right in asking exactly who she thinks she is when she says that.

Doing her usual condescending crap ,no doubt she'll get cheers of " yassss Queen" , as it will be seen as ' strong assertiveness ' . When in reality... she's being rude & self centered.

[Conzors]

If it’s the house vs Ali then we need her to win even more!

[Liam-]

They can’t even let her enjoy her last night in there, 3 of them ganging up on her right until the very end, I hope she wins even more now just to see their faces, horrible lot

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Fair enough. But the tone is incredibly patronising and doesn't engender people to see her point of view or even want to give her the time of day, as I'm sure you realise.

Is it patronising too tell someone that you're still speaking when they talk over you or is it more patronising to talk over someone while they're making a point, though?

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is it patronising too tell someone that you're still speaking when they talk over you or is it more patronising to talk over someone while they're making a point, though?

As I said, it was the tone.

Also, I get the feeling that you were bringing up Hanah because you see she's listed as my favourite HM of this series and think that I'm automatically going to side with her on every single altercation she's had during this series.. not the case lol. In this instance, though I agreed with the spirit of what she was taking issue with (i.e., Lily attempting to dismiss and nulify her opinion), she'd already finished making her point when Lily decided to speak again. So Hanah wasn't exactly in the right there. At least not in that way.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is it patronising too tell someone that you're still speaking when they talk over you or is it more patronising to talk over someone while they're making a point, though?

Marcello and Hanah always interrupt

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

it's amazing what a couple of glasses of alcohol can do to lubricate conversation

…I’m thinking that my conversation will be very lubricated in the Finals thread this evening, then…

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Ray.

As I said, it was the tone.

Also, I get the feeling that you were bringing up Hanah because you see she's listed as my favourite HM of this series and think that I'm automatically going to side with her on every single altercation she's had during this series.. not the case lol. In this instance, though I agreed with the spirit of what she was taking issue with (i.e., Lily attempting to dismiss and nulify her opinion), she'd already finished making her point when Lily decided to speak again. So Hanah wasn't exactly in the right there. At least not in that way.

What tone?
All she was saying is I’m speaking? What tone are you hearing x

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by Conzors

What tone?
All she was saying is I’m speaking? What tone are you hearing x

A very patronising school teacher one. And I get the feeling she does it exclusively with men because she knows that guys in the current cultural climate are going to be afraid to be seen as domineering or 'mansplaining' to her on national television.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Ray.

As I said, it was the tone.

Also, I get the feeling that you were bringing up Hanah because you see she's listed as my favourite HM of this series and think that I'm automatically going to side with her on every single altercation she's had during this series.. not the case lol. In this instance, though I agreed with the spirit of what she was taking issue with (i.e., Lily attempting to dismiss and nulify her opinion), she'd already finished making her point when Lily decided to speak again. So Hanah wasn't exactly in the right there. At least not in that way.

I actually didn't bring up Hanah for that reason, I didn't see that, I just used it as an example of someone else in the house pulling someone up on interrupting them.

I personally don't see what's wrong with Ali's tone, she just said it normally. Not sure how she was supposed to tell someone three times. Why is it up to Ali to monitor how she speaks against someone who isn't giving her the grace to do the same?

[marcelloforthewin]

Originally Posted by Conzors

What tone?
All she was saying is I’m speaking? What tone are you hearing x

She is always Patronising, go on Marcello tell that witch who does she think she is? she has been up her own ass all series.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Conzors

What tone?
All she was saying is I’m speaking? What tone are you hearing x

Notice how Ali is in the wrong for her tone, but Marcello isn't in the wrong for interrupting someone. It's always her fault somehow.

God I don't think I've ever wanted anyone to win a television show so bad.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by marcelloforthewin

She is always Patronising, go on Marcello tell that witch who does she think she is? she has been up her own ass all series.

I don’t think I’m going to comment on your posts anymore. Marcello could literally do the worst thing ever and you will still back him lol

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I actually didn't bring up Hanah for that reason, I didn't see that, I just used it as an example of someone else in the house pulling someone up on interrupting them.

I personally don't see what's wrong with Ali's tone, she just said it normally. Not sure how she was supposed to tell someone three times. Why is it up to Ali to monitor how she speaks against someone who isn't giving her the grace to do the same?

Did I say she wasn't allowed to do it in the way that she does? It seems we're entering into an area here that I'd never intended. All I did was comment on how patronising and condescending it is, the manner in which she does it. And I'm not the only one who thinks it.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Ray.

A very patronising school teacher one. And I get the feeling she does it exclusively with men because she knows that guys in the current cultural climate are going to be afraid to be seen as domineering or 'mansplaining' to her on national television.

How is saying that she’s still speaking patronising. Isn’t it patronising to keep interrupting someone?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ray.

A very patronising school teacher one. And I get the feeling she does it exclusively with men because she knows that guys in the current cultural climate are going to be afraid to be seen as domineering or 'mansplaining' to her on national television.

Exactly this
Very patronising head teacher tone.

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by Conzors

How is saying that she’s still speaking patronising. Isn’t it patronising to keep interrupting someone?

I don't think so. Rude, sure. But I see it as inherently patronising.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Ray.

I don't think so. Rude, sure. But I see it as inherently patronising.

So you're saying Ali is in the wrong for being potentially patronising but not Marcello for being out right rude?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Exactly this
Very patronising head teacher tone.

Is it because she's educated and well spoken?

[marcelloforthewin]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I don’t think I’m going to comment on your posts anymore. Marcello could literally do the worst thing ever and you will still back him lol

Thats rich coming from an Ali fan who has defended everything she has ever done i've always said some of Marcellos past comments was not his best but he has actually shown growth and humour and realness throughout unlike her she has done nothing but bitch and moan all series.

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by Conzors

So you're saying Ali is in the wrong for being potentially patronising but not Marcello for being out right rude?

They're both in the wrong, but frankly I can excuse Marcello at this point because he's had to deal with her attitude a lot during the course of the series. To a degree, I can also excuse getting worked up and wanting to immediately put all your thoughts out there lest you forget it. Not everyone's brains work the same way. I understand someone getting caught up in the emotional cut and thrust of an intense argument and not being as poised enough to wait. Besides, this is a regular conversation we're talking about, not a timed university debate. People should frankly expect to be interrupted from time to time in altercations.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is it because she's educated and well spoken?

No ,that would be classist.
It's the way she conducts herself, she probably thinks she's more intelligent than she is though.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

No ,that would be classist.
It's the way she conducts herself, she probably thinks she's more intelligent than she is though.

I didn't mention class. I hope you aren't insinuating a certain class of people aren't educated and can't be well spoken?