[Kate!]

Originally Posted by ivy balls

Well we will certainly disagree on it being the sole reason.

Aggravating factor is something that makes it more of a crime.

He was already high on drinks and drugs. He was then essentially locked in his room when he wasn't of sound mins. His room was 3 floors high

Exactly!

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Dearie me. Poor Liam. Where's the empathy and understanding fgs. He should have been sectioned for his own safety. He'd still be here.

I don’t have any for him. His family yes, but not him.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

I don’t have any for him. His family yes, but not him.

Same

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

I don’t need to. He was an adult. He chose to take drugs. That’s on him. Had those people charged not supplied them to him he would have sought them elsewhere.

I don’t disagree with drug dealers being charged btw, but Liam is the overall one that cost himself his own life.

Had he not have been Hogg on drinks/drugs etc then there wouldn't have been a need to seek him medical attention, carry him to his room and stop him coming out, but that didn't ultimately cost him his life.

What cost him his life was a chain of events which could have been prevented from getting worse had the hotel not escorted him to his room when he clearly needed medical attention.

Instead, they put someone who was having a psychotic episode in a room which was 3 levels above ground. It's that act and the act that followed that caused his death

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

I don’t have any for him. His family yes, but not him.

You don't have anything at all for a mentally ill person who wasn't in his right place at all. ? Surprised by that. Yes he was a fool. But people took advantage of that and that's what caused his death.

Like I said already they should have had him sectioned.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by ivy balls

Well we will certainly disagree on it being the sole reason.

Aggravating factor is something that makes it more of a crime.

He was already high on drinks and drugs. He was then essentially locked in his room when he wasn't of sound mins. His room was 3 floors high

The drugs made him black out….

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

I don’t have any for him. His family yes, but not him.

Wow.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas

The drugs made him black out….

Are you talking in riddles?

What point are you making?

[ThomasC]

Mods close the thread.

I'm done here, I can't conversate with morons

Or give me a ban for a week.

I'm off to eat chocolate lol

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by ivy balls

Mods close the thread.

I'm done here, I can't conversate with morons

Or give me a ban for a week.

I'm off to eat chocolate lol

No need to call people morons because they don’t agree with you.

Maybe a forum isn’t the place for you.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

No need to call people morons because they don’t agree with you.

Maybe a forum isn’t the place for you.

Ok morons is strong but I get Thomas's frustration. I've had a psychotic episode and it's very dangerous because you really don't know what you're doing? I was put on a mental health ward for a few months and fortunately made a full recovery with an awful lot of support. That could have happened for Liam if they'd done the right thing.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Ok morons is strong but I get Thomas's frustration. I've had a psychotic episode and it's very dangerous because you really don't know what you're doing? I was put on a mental health ward for a few months and fortunately made a full recovery with an awful lot of support. That could have happened for Liam if they'd done the right thing.

Yes but you weren’t also foolish enough to be taking drugs. And if he was so unstable why didn’t his family sanction him?

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

Yes but you weren’t also foolish enough to be taking drugs. And if he was so unstable why didn’t his family sanction him?

He was only unstable the last couple of days. Before that he'd been doing very well. Then they preyed on him with the drugs. Yes tbf he chose to take them, it's an addiction. I'm sure his family would've staged an intervention if they'd known.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

He was only unstable the last couple of days. Before that he'd been doing very well. Then they preyed on him with the drugs. Yes tbf he chose to take them, it's an addiction. I'm sure his family would've staged an intervention if they'd known.

Preyed on him lol. He was taking drugs well before that. If they hadn’t supplied them to him he would have got them elsewhere.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he could not wait to cheat and humiliate his girlfriend as soon as she left

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

Preyed on him lol. He was taking drugs well before that. If they hadn’t supplied them to him he would have got them elsewhere.

Don't agree sorry. He'd gotten clean. I know his history with drugs. And as I said it's an addiction, they did prey on him. Yes he was weak. Can't condemn him for that. Vulnerable. They clearly had no conscience with a recovering addict.

It is definitely manslaughter.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

he could not wait to cheat and humiliate his girlfriend as soon as she left

Bullcrap. Proof?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Don't agree sorry. He'd gotten clean. I know his history with drugs. And as I said it's an addiction, they did prey on him. Yes he was weak. Can't condemn him for that. Vulnerable. They clearly had no conscience with a recovering addict.

It is definitely manslaughter.

Gotten clean? So you knew him personally to know that. Ok then.

[UserSince2005]

He talked so much about wanting to kill himself in interviews.

And then when he jumps from a balcony you want me to believe it was all just a accident lol

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

Gotten clean? So you knew him personally to know that. Ok then.

No, it's documented. He's in the public eye, I mean he was. He'd done rehab, the whole shebang. I don't have to know him personally??

[Kate!]

Friends of Liam Payne have claimed they have proof that the One Direction singer was clean from substances just days before he fell to his death from a third floor hotel balcony in Argentina.

The 31-year-old singer was in Buenos Aires on holiday with the hopes of seeing his former bandmate Niall Horan perform on his tour. Friends close to the star believe he had to be clean as Liam was renewing his expired US visa while in Argentina, ahead of moving to Florida, for which he was asked to undergo tests.

Pals say that Liam had spoken to US embassy officials when he was looking to renew the visa and had been questioned by about his previous stints in rehab. As part of obtaining a new visa, Liam was asked to take a drug test before travelling

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

No, it's documented. He's in the public eye, I mean he was. He'd done rehab, the whole shebang. I don't have to know him personally??

Doing rehab doesn’t mean a thing. It’s very easy to relapse (as we’ve seen with so many celebs before) and for that not to be public knowledge until something happens. Like I said, if he hadn’t got drugs from these people he most likely would have sought them elsewhere. He is responsible for his own death.

You may not like my opinion on it, and that’s fine. But it’s my opinion in a forum called serious debates.

[Crimson Dynamo]

'Leaked texts' reveal more details of Liam Payne's final hours: Singer 'told hotel staff they
were 'useless' because they couldn't get cocaine - and he offered sex worker $5,000 to
come to his hotel in hours before death'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...x-workers.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

blame everyone but him

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

'Leaked texts' reveal more details of Liam Payne's final hours: Singer 'told hotel staff they
were 'useless' because they couldn't get cocaine - and he offered sex worker $5,000 to
come to his hotel in hours before death'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...x-workers.html

Hearsay and speculation.