[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

Doing rehab doesn’t mean a thing. It’s very easy to relapse (as we’ve seen with so many celebs before) and for that not to be public knowledge until something happens. Like I said, if he hadn’t got drugs from these people he most likely would have sought them elsewhere. He is responsible for his own death.

You may not like my opinion on it, and that’s fine. But it’s my opinion in a forum called serious debates.

Not disputing your right to your opinion. But I disagree with it. That's my opinion. ? He'd still be alive if it weren't for those people.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Not disputing your right to your opinion. But I disagree with it. That's my opinion. ? He'd still be alive if it weren't for those people.

Possibly but he’d also still be alive if he had chosen not to take drugs.

[rusticgal]

It was irresponsible of the staff to drag him from a safe environment of the Hotel lobby to his third floor bedroom with a balcony and lock him in…and then phone the emergency services to tell them they feared for his safety because of where they put him

However if a person chooses to take a dangerous concoction of drugs and alcohol then they put their own life in danger…and sadly he paid the price. He had the money to get himself the best care and treatment unlike many that rely on the NHS that struggle to cope…it cost 18k for a month in therapy.

As for drug dealers…they deserve all they get.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

He'd still be alive if it weren't for those people.

He would be alive today if he had not voluntarily taken drugs and alcohol in the first place…

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

Possibly but he’d also still be alive if he had chosen not to take drugs.

Yes? But they egged him on. He was weak and foolish. That's where I feel empathy and sorry for him. I've never taken drugs in my life but I do have an addiction and I know have hard it is to have temptation pushed upon you. Long story short I had a so called friend who kept encouraging me to Gamble and giving me money (to be paid back) to enable me. Thrn they turned on me. I learned a lesson there.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Rustic bauble

He would be alive today if he had not voluntarily taken drugs and alcohol in the first place…

He was mentally ill.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Yes? But they egged him on. He was weak and foolish. That's where I feel empathy and sorry for him. I've never taken drugs in my life but I do have an addiction and I know have hard it is to have temptation pushed upon you. Long story short I had a so called friend who kept encouraging me to Gamble and giving me money (to be paid back) to enable me. Thrn they turned on me. I learned a lesson there.

How do you know they egged him on? You don’t. You’re speculating that’s what happened.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

How do you know they egged him on? You don’t. You’re speculating that’s what happened.

Its what I believe. They smuggled it into his room fgs.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Its what I believe.

So you’re speculating, like the rest of us.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

So you’re speculating, like the rest of us.

Edited my post.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Edited my post.

But you’re still speculating.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

But you’re still speculating.

No, that was reported. It was found in a box.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

He was mentally ill.

No he wasnt

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

No, that was reported. It was found in a box.

Yes, but egging him on is speculation. You don’t know they did. Drugs in a box means nothing, it’s where most people keep drugs in some form of box or bag.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

No he wasnt

Yes. He was. He was very open about the fact.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

Yes, but egging him on is speculation. You don’t know they did.

They smuggled it in for him? That's encouragement.

[Kate!]

I'm really wasting my breath in here.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

They smuggled it in for him? That's encouragement.

Smuggled it in for him. So he had sought it out himself and they brought it to him. Doesn’t sound like egging him on to me.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

Smuggled it in for him. So he had sought it out himself and they brought it to him. Doesn’t sound like egging him on to me.

Wot? They facilitated him being able to take it. Still not saying he wasn't a fool for doing so. He may have got it elsewhere who knows. The fact remains that they did supply him. Irresponsible at best when dealing with an addict.

I'm doing a Thomas I think. It's a waste of time in here, repeating myself. He shouldn't have been confined in that room in the state he was in. Grossly irresponsible by the staff.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Wot? They facilitated him being able to take it. Still not saying he wasn't a fool for doing so. He may have got it elsewhere who knows. The fact remains that they did supply him. Irresponsible at best when dealing with an addict.

I'm doing a Thomas I think. It's a waste of time in here, repeating myself. He shouldn't have been confined in that room in the state he was in. Grossly irresponsible by the staff.

If you feel you’re wasting your time, then yes you probably are done in here. My opinion on this matter will be different from yours, and that’s fine for us to have different opinions, and share them as is the purpose of this sub forum.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cranbenny Jamin

If you feel you’re wasting your time, then yes you probably are done in here. My opinion on this matter will be different from yours, and that’s fine for us to have different opinions, and share them as is the purpose of this sub forum.

Thank you. Yes I'm done. We just don't agree and are talking round in circles. It's tiring. Not you, you're not tiring. I just know when I'm done.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Yes? But they egged him on..

No one egged him on…

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Rustic bauble

No one egged him on…

Oh you were there? I said in my opinion they encouraged him by supplying the drugs. That's egging on.

Anyway as I said I'm outta here. Disappointed by the lack of empathy for a mentally ill man.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

He was mentally ill.

Yes he was…that’s the tragedy of it. However like I said he was fortunate enough to have enough money to get the best help…he had family and friends…but it wasn’t enough.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Holly Christmas

Oh you were there? I said in my opinion they encouraged him by supplying the drugs. That's egging on.

Anyway as I said I'm outta here. Disappointed by the lack of empathy for a mentally ill man.

I’m dealing with mental health with my own son….so don’t tell me I lack empathy or show me where I have.