[arista]

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[arista]

This sounds better
Ukraine Parliament people
have been on all TV news today.
All they ask is whether Russia will
stop attacking them.

So Air Cover
the USA Bombers would keep Russia back.

BBC News Text:
[The Times reports that the US could still provide air cover
to protect Ukraine as part of a peacekeeping force.]

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[There is "panic and disbelief" in Europe
as Trump signals a "major shift in security guarantees"
that have kept peace on the continent for 80 years.]

[arista]

[arista]

[UK and EU leaders criticising Donald Trump's
negotiation tactics with Vladimir Putin.
Some have accused the US president of appeasing
Putin in the same way
Europe did to Adolf Hitler in the 1930s.]

[bots]

but the USA do have a point, europe needs to be more proactive in it's own defence

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by arista

[UK and EU leaders criticising Donald Trump's
negotiation tactics with Vladimir Putin.
Some have accused the US president of appeasing
Putin in the same way
Europe did to Adolf Hitler in the 1930s.]

All these people attacking Trump are just very stupid wart mongers. They want the death and descruction to continue because their tiny little brains cannot think any further.

The way Trump is thinking of ending this senseless war is how all humans should be thinking after centuries of mass wars and death.

Only Trump is thinking right. His brain has developed. He knows wars are pointless and all end in talks anyway. So why fookin' start them!!

[arista]

Zelensky
is now in Munich
to meet JD Vance
to discuss Ukraine's Future.


There is rush to know what President Trump and Putin
spoke about for 90mins on the phone


For Example
Has Putin Warned Trump
he is going to take other nations?

[arista]

Romania has canceled its National Election.
As Russia was interfering in it.

Was on LBC Debate Live

[arista]

With USA
pulling back from the EU.


Macron is now rushing to try arrange,
a EU meeting to set up an EU Army.


Report on the Start of Ch4HDnews

[Cherie]

Europe has been sleeping on this issue, they knew Trump had a good chance of getting another term, yet did nada, now it looks like insanely only USA and Russia will decide on Ukraine.... like what the hell...... Europe has pumped vast amounts of money into Ukraine and for Ukraine itself not to have a seat at the table is such an insult .....time to cut USA loose

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

All these people attacking Trump are just very stupid wart mongers. They want the death and descruction to continue because their tiny little brains cannot think any further.

The way Trump is thinking of ending this senseless war is how all humans should be thinking after centuries of mass wars and death.

Only Trump is thinking right. His brain has developed. He knows wars are pointless and all end in talks anyway. So why fookin' start them!!

so why should the USA and the aggressor Russia decide Ukraines future, someone invades UK you would be happy if you were signed up to fight, for the aggressor and USA to decide how much of the UK is lost?


who started the Ukraine War?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

All these people attacking Trump are just very stupid wart mongers. They want the death and descruction to continue because their tiny little brains cannot think any further.

The way Trump is thinking of ending this senseless war is how all humans should be thinking after centuries of mass wars and death.

Only Trump is thinking right. His brain has developed. He knows wars are pointless and all end in talks anyway. So why fookin' start them!!

1) An aggressor starts a territory war

2) (By your logic) everyone should be keen to stop wars once started ASAP and by any means

3) Powerful countries step in and stop the war by gifting large chunks of territory to the initial aggressor.

4) The war ends. The aggressor has achieved their war goals, either partially or fully, by gaining territory (see point 1)


5) ... you have created a pretty big motivator for the same or other aggressors to start more wars, not fewer.



If you want fewer wars to start then the solution to ending existing wars cannot place the aggressor in a meaningfully better position than the one they were in when the war started.

This is why wars tend to end on a compromise once war exhaustion has set in and there have been significant losses. When the aggressor will be in a better position if they stop now, than if they stop later. But not in a better position than they were at the start. If that happens then the war was "worth it", and will simply reoccur, either there or elsewhere.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

1) An aggressor starts a territory war

2) (By your logic) everyone should be keen to stop wars once started ASAP and by any means

3) Powerful countries step in and stop the war by gifting large chunks of territory to the initial aggressor.

4) The war ends. The aggressor has achieved their war goals, either partially or fully, by gaining territory (see point 1)


5) ... you have created a pretty big motivator for the same or other aggressors to start more wars, not fewer.



If you want fewer wars to start then the solution to ending existing wars cannot place the aggressor in a meaningfully better position than the one they were in when the war started.

This is why wars tend to end on a compromise once war exhaustion has set in and there have been significant losses. When the aggressor will be in a better position if they stop now, than if they stop later. But not in a better position than they were at the start. If that happens then the war was "worth it", and will simply reoccur, either there or elsewhere.

you forgot to mention that the aggressor has lost over 100k in men, weakened its position globally, and is currently relying on the pathetic north korea to save face.

Russia won’t be starting another war anytime soon, they’ve well and truly embarrassed themselves with this whole debacle.

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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

you forgot to mention that the aggressor has lost over 100k in men, weakened its position globally, and is currently relying on the pathetic north korea to save face.

Russia won’t be starting another war anytime soon, they’ve well and truly embarrassed themselves with this whole debacle.

why did this invasion begin again?


oh wait, many many years of the western europe bullying Russia


this whole invasion of Ukraine was no surprise for me AT ALL



and most european countries and the US now turning far right, only shows Putin is right about us all along, that fascism still exists in the west



Russia can easily save face, as a full member of Asia they already have the support of China, North Korea, possibly India will not be difficult to win their support, and as for sports, entertainment they can also join the organisations within Asia, rather than Europe

[Nicky91]

calling Putin a fascist dictator is also wrong


russians are communist



also Russia helped us big time fight the fascist nazi's at WW2, thanks to them that ended in 1945


and how do we thank them, by treating them like **** for many years, with xenophobic behaviour

which led to this invasion of ukraine

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

calling Putin a fascist dictator is also wrong


russians are communist



also Russia helped us big time fight the fascist nazi's at WW2, thanks to them that ended in 1945


and how do we thank them, by treating them like **** for many years, with xenophobic behaviour

which led to this invasion of ukraine

At the start of World War 2, Stalin and Hitler had a pact. Hitler invaded one side of Poland and Russia went in the other. Should we thank them for that? For being in bed, initially, with the Nazis? No one country was responsible for ending the war, it was a coalition of many allies.


How can peace talks that don't include Ukraine go ahead? Putin won't even be there... It's a ****ing circus.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

At the start of World War 2, Stalin and Hitler had a pact. Hitler invaded one side of Poland and Russia went in the other. Should we thank them for that? For being in bed, initially, with the Nazis? No one country was responsible for ending the war, it was a coalition of many allies.


How can peace talks that don't include Ukraine go ahead? Putin won't even be there... It's a ****ing circus.

no, not Putin


but his most trusted minister of foreign affairs Sergey Lavrov most likely will be there (whom has been also travelling across the world also for Russia's revival of Intervision Song Contest, basically those who participate in that, also got new trade deals with them)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no, not Putin


but his most trusted minister of foreign affairs Sergey Lavrov most likely will be there (whom has been also travelling across the world also for Russia's revival of Intervision Song Contest, basically those who participate in that, also got new trade deals with them)

Sergey Lavrov is a clown and a liar.

A song contest? Jesus...