[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

nothing to say about Muslims, and it is mostly Muslims, who rape and sexually assault women and children and face no punishment at all

No it isn't. Not a debate really, it just factually isn't. As a mostly white country, most men who sexually assault women are (unsurprisingly) white, by a very, very large margin. Ludicrous claim. I couldn't give you the stats pro rata, but as a claim on the face of it, to say that it's "mostly Muslims" is wild. UK-wide it's 85%+ white, in Scotland it's closer to 95% white.

98%+ male of course every ethnicity has that in common.

[edit] Here's some actual England and Wales stats (2022-2023) for offenses against children under 16 - I couldn't find stats for overall (quickly).

Defendants processed against for child sexual abuse offence
White 88%
White British 83%
White Irish 0% 1%
Any other white background 4%
Asian 7%
Indian 1%
Pakistani 2%
Bangladeshi 1%
Chinese 0%
Any other Asian Background 2%
Black 3%
African 1%
Caribbean 1%
Mixed or multiple 2%
White and Asian 0% 1%
White and black African 0%
White and black Caribbean 0%
Any other mixed background 1%
Any other ethnic background 1%

(0% of course doesn't mean zero, just less than 1%)

[Quantum Boy]

Actually... 82% of England and Wales is white and 88% of child sexual offenses are from White people, which (in absence of other data) would indicate that most paedos are white both by number AND pro rata proportion. Welp.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

No it isn't. Not a debate really, it just factually isn't. As a mostly white country, most men who sexually assault women are (unsurprisingly) white, by a very, very large margin. Ludicrous claim. I couldn't give you the stats pro rata, but as a claim on the face of it, to say that it's "mostly Muslims" is wild. UK-wide it's 85%+ white, in Scotland it's closer to 95% white.

98%+ male of course every ethnicity has that in common.

[edit] Here's some actual England and Wales stats (2022-2023) for offenses against children under 16 - I couldn't find stats for overall (quickly).

Defendants processed against for child sexual abuse offence
White 88%
White British 83%
White Irish 0% 1%
Any other white background 4%
Asian 7%
Indian 1%
Pakistani 2%
Bangladeshi 1%
Chinese 0%
Any other Asian Background 2%
Black 3%
African 1%
Caribbean 1%
Mixed or multiple 2%
White and Asian 0% 1%
White and black African 0%
White and black Caribbean 0%
Any other mixed background 1%
Any other ethnic background 1%

(0% of course doesn't mean zero, just less than 1%)

Livia was referring to the rape gangs that blight most northern English cities.

Do you have stats on the numbers involved and how many were brought to justice?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Livia was referring to the rape gangs that blight most northern English cities.

Do you have stats on the numbers involved and how many were brought to justice?

Far too few brought to justice but that's the case with all sexual crime; white men get away with it too (constantly). In terms of grooming gangs I believe off the top of my head 70% are white and the rest "other than white", there is a specific issue with Pakistani grooming gangs but it's still less than 10% of total grooming gangs/sex trafficking rings. Proportionately in the specific case of gangs, yes it is a higher proportion that are non-white and specifically Pakistani, but likewise, the proportion of "lone male" offenders who target family members, and institutional abuse ("priests and sports coaches", to put that simply) is higher, so... despicable swings and roundabouts, isn't it?

We can definitely all agree that the inability to bring people to justice for these crimes is a massive issue though, yes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

remember this?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

Against the law to be truthful..

Disgusting.


People marching every week against Israel say much the same, bit they have their kids with them

I personally don't agree about the borderline Nazi stuff that gets said about Israel by some people either.

Both things can be wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Ricky Jones addressed a crowd....as a Counciller and told them to slit throats....is that not a problem for you? No?

Good thing for his family is he is still walking the streets..

Of course it's a problem as it's threatening behaviour, on top of incitement.

Exactly like this woman also has done, but just for a different political side.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Of course it's a problem as it's threatening behaviour, on top of incitement.

Exactly like this woman also has done, but just for a different political side.

Thank you for the response Mock

Can you give me any reason why he has still not had his day in court, he will have held much more sway as a Counciller, plus he was in a public space calling for throats to be slit..... its not exactly as this woman has done as she has not been elected to public office, she is just a nobody on X, so why would her views hold more sway than his, plus she took her tweet down before she was arrested, more than a hint off mysogny here to my mind

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Of course it's a problem as it's threatening behaviour, on top of incitement.

Exactly like this woman also has done, but just for a different political side.

That's the thing - it is ridiculous if people would condemn the incitement on SoMed but then ignore this blatant threat from the labour chap but it's constantly used to deflect... I don't think there are all that many people who actually think that's fine. Yes, the guy who said "slit their throats" should be arrested and charged. And so should the SoMed riot encourages.

I think it's used the other way round as an argument that the racist Social media grannies should be left in peace. Nah. Charge 'em all, on all "sides".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's the thing - it is ridiculous if people would condemn the incitement on SoMed but then ignore this blatant threat from the labour chap but it's constantly used to deflect... I don't think there are all that many people who actually think that's fine. Yes, the guy who said "slit their throats" should be arrested and charged. And so should the SoMed riot encourages.

I think it's used the other way round as an argument that the racist Social media grannies should be left in peace. Nah. Charge 'em all, on all "sides".

I have no problem with her being charged....where did I say I had....I do have an issue with the length of time 31 months when that chap who kicked and assaulted someone on the ground was given 22 months and then let out and went on to help murder someone.....is she a danger to society I dont think so, what I also have an issue with is why the courts had to time to look at her case and many others...(quite rightly) but they dont have time to hear Rickys case.... smacks of its who you know, not what you know, even if he does do time now which I seriously doubt its not good enough.... a year later when everyone else was fast tracked ...it looks like and you know this QB no matter how YOU try to deflect strings were pulled

Also I dont know why you are being so ageist this woman is 41....nowhere near a granny, in fact she is probably closer to your age

[Crimson Dynamo]

Muhammad Amaad and Mohammed Fahir Amaaz beat up a police woman in July last year

Are they in jail yet?

[Quantum Boy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have no problem with her being charged....where did I say I had....I do have an issue with the length of time 31 months when that chap who kicked and assaulted someone on the ground was given 22 months and then let out and went on to help murder someone.....is she a danger to society I dont think so, what I also have an issue with is why the courts had to time to look at her case and many others...(quite rightly) but they dont have time to hear Rickys case.... smacks of its who you know, not what you know, even if he does do time now which I seriously doubt its not good enough.... a year later when everyone else was fast tracked ...it looks like and you know this QB no matter how YOU try to deflect strings were pulled

Also I dont know why you are being so ageist this woman is 41....nowhere near a granny, in fact she is probably closer to your age

Age is a mindset not a number Cherie - anyone who is mouthing off on Facebook or X is a boomer/oldie, let's face it, be they 70 or 17.

Anyway -- I wasn't saying that you have an issue with people being charged for this sort of thing, but a LOT of people do, and it's incredibly common to see people say "oh year but what aboutttt ____ who did _____?!?" in response to any mention of people being charged for insighting riots - with the implication being that these are the "real" crimes that should be tackled while X incitement to violence is "just freedom of speech".

The Americanised media is partially to blame because people (entirely incorrectly) believe that UK freedom of speech laws and US freedom of speech laws are or should be the same, or that any variation of freedom of expression law that deviates from the US "more or less anything goes" stance is "not freedom/not free speech". Just US-centric nonsense like almost everything else these days. We have undeniably better freedom of speech laws than they do stateside. I can agree that they're lenient on some people with them for clearly political reasons - but that really is a separate issue... it's not an argument that aggressive social media chatter should be seen as acceptable.

TiBB has suffered similarly in recent years. Things people were banned for a few years ago fly quite freely (rampant racism, homophobia, misogyny) while the "don't talk about other members" is treated like dogma. IMO it's partly because of that "people can say whatever they want and it's actually wrong to tell them that it's wrong" mindset that's rooted in American freedom-ideals (bad ones) and has spread outwards from there.

Off on a tangent a bit but yeah. That's why people in the UK are "confused" that they can't say whatever they want on Social Media and not be arrested for it. And why so many think Trump is their president I guess .

[Quantum Boy]

To address the comment in general though - anyone in 2025 who wants to be politically or socially aware, or have any hope of piecing together the nonsense that's going on in the world, has to be aware of SoMed trends particularly Facebook and X. I don't engage with or post on them or have active accounts, because they are an absolute cess pit of the worst/dumbest of human nature.

[Beso]

Don't forget they early released the violent thugs, the drug dealers and the thiefs so they could have space to jail the opinionated granny.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thank you for the response Mock

Can you give me any reason why he has still not had his day in court, he will have held much more sway as a Counciller, plus he was in a public space calling for throats to be slit..... its not exactly as this woman has done as she has not been elected to public office, she is just a nobody on X, so why would her views hold more sway than his, plus she took her tweet down before she was arrested, more than a hint off mysogny here to my mind

With him I'm going to guess there's some level of corruption involved.

I mean we are talking about someone involved with the Government, Covid should've taught everyone that the people in a Political party don't have to follow the same laws as the rest of us.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

Don't forget they early released the violent thugs, the drug dealers and the thiefs so they could have space to jail the opinionated granny.

She's more of a threat than drug dealers and the average thief.

At least in my opinion anyway.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's the thing - it is ridiculous if people would condemn the incitement on SoMed but then ignore this blatant threat from the labour chap but it's constantly used to deflect... I don't think there are all that many people who actually think that's fine. Yes, the guy who said "slit their throats" should be arrested and charged. And so should the SoMed riot encourages.

I think it's used the other way round as an argument that the racist Social media grannies should be left in peace. Nah. Charge 'em all, on all "sides".

Agreed.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

She's more of a threat than drug dealers and the average thief.

At least in my opinion anyway.

Oh yeah, I'm forgetting the social and political clout an avetage granny has on facebook.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

She's more of a threat than drug dealers and the average thief.

At least in my opinion anyway.

Oh Mock seriously

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Beso

Oh yeah, I'm forgetting the social and political clout an avetage granny has on facebook.

why are so many of the TiBB males obsessed with Grannies, this lady is 41

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh Mock seriously

Drug dealers is more debatable tbf, given what can happen to people that take Drugs.

But how's a regular thief worse than someone that's encouraging a group that she doesn't like, to be dead? I obviously don't approve of theft but it's not the same level as wanting a group of people to die.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

Oh yeah, I'm forgetting the social and political clout an avetage granny has on facebook.

It only takes one lunatic to take her words seriously.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

why are so many of the TiBB males obsessed with Grannies, this lady is 41

Grannies seem to be en vogue at the moment.

Just ask Wayne Rooney.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Drug dealers is more debatable tbf, given what can happen to people that take Drugs.

But how's a regular thief worse than someone that's encouraging a group that she doesn't like, to be dead? I obviously don't approve of theft but it's not the same level as wanting a group of people to die.

Did she say she wanted a group of people dead?

[Livia]

Just on the news. More people jailed for asylum seeker riots in Rotherham than the total number of grooming gang abusers jailed. Our young women are worth less than asylum seekers.

How much longer will be allow this?