[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It's also important to remember that it's not necessary to literally call for action to embolden people to take physical measures.

All humans need is the idea something is a threat to them, their loved ones, their way of life, and many will act accordingly. And LGBT have been framed as a threat throughout their existence.

- We've been framed as a threat to traditional family values (so did not have the same legal rights within relationships)

- We've been framed as a threat to public health (so could not give blood up until 2021 if we were sexually active - to the point where myself, in a 12-year monogamous relationship could not give blood but my friend who was straight and sleeping with a new girl every weekend could)

- We've been framed as a threat to the sanctity of marriage.

- We've been framed as a threat to children. (Lawrence Fox recently stated that the plus in LGBT+ was a symbol for pedophiles. It wasn't a direct call for action, but it was definitely posing LGBT people as a threat to peoples children.)

People don't need anyone to say "gays are gross, get 'em" they just need to imply gays are a threat, unfounded and without evidence or data. That's enough. Which is why not challenging or persecuting certain levels of hate speech is so dangerous.

I'm not talking about Mickey's 'I'm voting off the lesbian' or jokes made my comedians on stage. Context and intent matter hugely and no, nobody is going to watch Big Brother and see Mickey call JoJo a fag and then go and punch a lesbian, but there is a need for a certain level of 'freedom' allowed before people are reprimanded for what they say. It's the same with everything in society.

Fair points tbf, and I can agree with most of it.

And just to go to Lawrence Fox for a minute, how anybody agrees with anything that this dude says is probably the biggest mystery in Politics at the moment.

The guy makes Trump and Andrew Tate seem reasonable imo, and that takes some doing.