[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

A million people legally last year alone. Ten thousand illegals in the first four months of this year alone. People will not put up with it, it's gone too far. If the Conservatives and/or Labour had done what they promised to do, or even looked like they intended to do something, people would not have been compelled to vote Reform.

You are not my only Labour supporting friend, Joey, and I feel for you because the Labour supporters I know are genuine and feel like Labour is the only choice for our country. But I feel like Labour has let its supporters down. In my opinion, had they done something - anything - positive in their first months in power things might have been different. But instead they've alienated people with Rachel Reeves' disastrous fiscal policy, Illegal migrants, the Farmers, the pensioners... it feels like they're lurching from one bad decision to another.

I didn't want to engage in an immigration issue.
I accept people have got sick of seemingly nothing being really done.
Im not, despite my fury at Starmer and his Cabinet, going to judge them just yet.
Although I concede both the Blair/Brown led government failed on the issue
However so have the 5 different Conservative PMs over 14 years when things got even worse.
I HOPE, and it's perhaps a furlong hope that this lot can turn it around.
However whether they can do so by enough before an election in 2029.
The jury is out on that one
I just hate and detest the rhetoric of Reform on immigration.
Now that's my position and my perspective..
I see them legal or illegal as still human beings.
However that's where I am and why I couldn't support the more prejudicial stance from Reform.

To your second paragraph however, I can agree with that all through.
Apart from the Farmers, I've not a scrap of sympathy for them I'm afraid,not on the inheritance tax issue.

Your report card on the coming up to this first year of this government, is however spot on, no real disagreement from me with you there
You and I have discussed, very strongly at times, many things re politics.
I honestly now am so disillusioned with politics after it almost being a major part of my life.
Whether I may end up staying with Labour or looking elsewhere over the next 2 to 3 years is definitely all on the table now.
I am absolutely livid with this Labour government and Starmer.
The Conservatives under Badenoch are also disastrous at present.
The LibDems haven't impressed at all either.
The Greens are way too cranky on policies for me and hypocritical too .
I fear my disillusionment with where voters and the UK will now end up, is going to increase even further.