[joeysteele]

I don't have a problem with it, it's what it will bring to our economy that is more important.
These workers from India may have a temporary break on NI and tax.
However they'll be earning so spending in the communities and obviously paying some tax via VAT.

I don't believe for one minute this deal would not have been signed by the Conservatives.
Sunak has a great connection to India, he would not want to risk losing this deal for a temporary tax break
Badenoch would have had no way of not signing it.
I think she's being hypocritical.
Again pandering to Farage and Reform, who it seems only look for any divisive elements in anything while offering nothing themselves.

I don't think Sunak if he were still PM would not have approved this deal too.
His ties to India are incredibly strong.
It's very easy now for Badenoch to say she wouldn't sign it.
However there'll be those who'll fall for her, (let's be kind), more misleading presentation.

Is it the best deal, no
Are parts of it even fair, no.
However should we just rumble on getting nowhere at all with no compromise and lose the opportunities this deal presents to the UK and India, well from me NO to that too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Don't worry.

AI will take everyone's jobs before we all know it.

That IS going to be a very real concern in the future I think too Mock.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes but not all jobs

Long term it's going to have a much bigger impact than Indian immigrants imo.

I hope to be proven wrong about that, but I think that it is something that the regular citizens in this country should be deeply concerned about.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That IS going to be a very real concern in the future I think too Mock.

We're headed for Blade Runner or Minority Report if we're not careful.

I'm glad that you can understand where I'm coming from with this, Joey.

[Livia]

Any deal which gives foreign workers tax breaks and British workers none, shows how little Labour thinks of us all. They've just put up National Insurance for all of us but Indian workers will not have to pay it. Does that sound fair to anyone? Anyone at all?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Long term it's going to have a much bigger impact than Indian immigrants imo.

I hope to be proven wrong about that, but I think that it is something that the regular citizens in this country should be deeply concerned about.

Long term, we are talking about the here and now, Labour want to get the disabled back to work ...and are going to withdraw their PIP, now they will be in competition with Indian workers who have an NI tax break, so how do you think that will pan out for anyone looking for work who does not have an NI tax break?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Any deal which gives foreign workers tax breaks and British workers none, shows how little Labour thinks of us all. They've just put up National Insurance for all of us but Indian workers will not have to pay it. Does that sound fair to anyone? Anyone at all?

What makes me laugh is that not only will they take away PIP they will also take away the level playing field, if there ever was one for disabled applicants

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What makes me laugh is that not only will the take away PIP they will also take away the level playing field, if there ever was one for disabled applicants

Labour would prefer it if the white working class and all their expensive, disabled buddies just left the country. It'd solve the migrant housing problem for sure.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Long term, we are talking about the here and now, Labour want to get the disabled back to work ...and are going to withdraw their PIP, now they will be in competition with Indian workers who have an NI tax break, so how do you think that will pan out for anyone looking for work who does not have an NI tax break?

I get that, but long term issues are always the more important issues to try and fix before they become intrinsic to our society.

I personally agree that this deal isn't the fairest with India, but some people need to start realizing that Immigration is not our biggest problem when it comes to job security anymore.

I know that I've said it quite bluntly, but imo it's what I'm more fearful of.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get that, but long term issues are always the more important issues to try and fix before they become intrinsic to our society.

I personally agree that this deal isn't the fairest with India, but some people need to start realizing that Immigration is not our biggest problem when it comes to job security anymore.

I know that I've said it quite bluntly, but imo it's what I'm more fearful of.

Its nothing to do with Immigration, its removing the level playing field, and the idea that employers are crying out for disabled people when in reality they dont want to take them on and this will make it even more difficult so people are going to lose their PIP with no hope of getting a job

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get that, but long term issues are always the more important issues to try and fix before they become intrinsic to our society.

I personally agree that this deal isn't the fairest with India, but some people need to start realizing that Immigration is not our biggest problem when it comes to job security anymore.

I know that I've said it quite bluntly, but imo it's what I'm more fearful of.

This has been going on since the Luddites. They had a real issue, worried technology would strip jobs from people. But they didn't also have to contend with foreign workers being taxed less than Brits and taking their jobs. Which is the issue here.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its nothing to do with Immigration, its removing the level playing field, and the idea that employers are crying out for disabled people when in reality they dont want to take them on and this will make it even more difficult so people are going to lose their PIP with no hope of getting a job

Unfortunately for disabled people they will always be treated like tokens at these corporations, again regardless of any deals.

Governments work the same way, they don't really care about disabled people if we go with previous Governments too.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

This has been going on since the Luddites. They had a real issue, worried technology would strip jobs from people. But they didn't also have to contend with foreign workers being taxed less than Brits and taking their jobs. Which is the issue here.

Fair point.

[MTVN]

All it means is that those either here or in India on temporary visas will only be taxed on national insurance in one country whereas before NI applied both in India and the UK. We have this arrangement with quite a few countries and it only lasts for three years whereas the trade benefits continue on

I sympathise with the lack of opportunities for Brits but this trade agreement could create a lot of jobs across a range of sectors

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

All it means is that those either here or in India on temporary visas will only be taxed on national insurance in one country whereas before NI applied both in India and the UK. We have this arrangement with quite a few countries and it only lasts for three years whereas the trade benefits continue on

I sympathise with the lack of opportunities for Brits but this trade agreement could create a lot of jobs across a range of sectors

Exactly.
Overall even with it's faults it should be welcomed in my view.

More like whipping up division now against people from India is hardly going to benefit the UK.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly.
Overall even with it's faults it should be welcomed in my view.

More like whipping up division now against people from India is hardly going to benefit the UK.

The overall deal is good, but I dont see asking the question as to why other groups can't get an NI break is whipping up division, graduates would benefit from this, it is in the governments interest to get them into work so they can start to repay their loans, the disabled would benefit as well as it would make them more attractive for employers to take them on, if you can hand out a tax break to one group then why not roll it out for others, that is what I am asking here, we seem to have forgotton the government want the disabled to find jobs...where are these jobs and how are they going to access them, and what employers are going to take them on...its all gone very silent on the issue..

[Cherie]

Okay so there is a bit more detail on this now, I think the original misinformation came from the Indian government saying the taxation break was unprecedented, its not as bad as first portrayed

[MTVN]

Kemi didn't even mention it at PMQs after all that lol