[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

What’s funny about it exactly

The satire.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

The satire.

Oh, so it's ‘satire' now? That's... quite the assertion. Generally, for satire to be effective, its purpose or irony is usually self-evident, wouldn't you agree?

It doesn't typically require a separate declaration for its intent to be grasped.

Good try though.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Zizu

How much time have you spent in second education over the past 5 to 10 years ?

You used Pink as an example and Pink was the cool thing when we were in Secondary. Where I live is a US progressive city, so maybe not what you had in mind for a good comparison, but from what I see on average, youth have shifted way far away from trad culture. Kids now will damn near chew your head off for talking **** about their hobbies and personal preferences now which dress is a part of (even adults). Or in the very least, torture you with a boring internet-style explanation you wish you could X out of. We were getting to that point before social media when I was in.

There are more serious things to be concerned with in secondary and unless that person is dressing extremely provocatively and acting like a complete fool, dress is not going to be the reason. There's so much they can take for granted now that we simply couldn't and I let my daughter wear whatever the hell she wants because the other kids do too

The broader judgement is coming now more from the adult to child rather than child to child. I think the youth are exhausted with keeping up with the constant changes in societal standards they are meant to see through. You can see it on their faces when certain topics start to come up.

It might be in another 5-10 years, that Pride or Hetero parades become a dated thing in their own right because personal expression can be taken for granted to such an extent that other cultural phenomenons take hold and "the kids" find other ways to see addressing their own problems without relying on often useless adults to tell them what to do.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Oh, so it's ‘satire' now? That's... quite the assertion. Generally, for satire to be effective, its purpose or irony is usually self-evident, wouldn't you agree?

It doesn't typically require a separate declaration for its intent to be grasped.

Good try though.

I think you're thinking of sarcasm.

Satire.
the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

I think you're thinking of sarcasm.

Satire.
the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues

Yeah, but just knowing the definition isn't really the issue here, is it?
It's whether that picture actually did any of that – you know, properly used humour or irony to make a smart point.

Lots of stuff gets called 'satire' but just ends up missing the mark or comes off as a straight-up dig instead of being clever. It's more about if it works than just what the dictionary says.

[Glenn.]

Explain the satire

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Yeah, but just knowing the definition isn't really the issue here, is it?
It's whether that picture actually did any of that – you know, properly used humour or irony to make a smart point.

Lots of stuff gets called 'satire' but just ends up missing the mark or comes off as a straight-up dig instead of being clever. It's more about if it works than just what the dictionary says.

I think the joke is they (the developers) chose to put the parade in the game probably amusingly under the guise to "increase representation", but full well knowing what might actually happen with that from the player's end... so that's irony in itself.

Everything is fair game in GTA, similar to South Park, so it's the worst place to find representation, imo. People play it for the shock factor. It would be a bit silly for people to be bothered by it now when the player is encouraged to blow up prostitutes and run over innocent people "for the fun in it".

Grand Theft Auto 6 has a chance to fix the franchise’s terrible record on LGBTQ+ representation
https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/...epresentation/

GTA V’s exploration of Trevor’s sexuality was problematic

In GTA V, one of the three playable characters, Trevor, was depicted as bisexual, with explicit references made to sexual encounters with men. But as the most violently psychopathic and unstable of the game’s protagonists, these references often appeared to be used more for shock factor than as a fully realised part of his identity.

[Glenn.]

It’s not a meme. It’s a screenshot from a video of a MAGA moron looking forward to shooting up/running over gay people at a make believe pride parade in a video game.

The only thing funnier is that he believes he’s really funny and he’s not. It’s a dangerous mindset

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s not a meme. It’s a screenshot from a video of a MAGA moron looking forward to shooting up/running over gay people at a make believe pride parade in a video game.

The only thing funnier is that he believes he’s really funny and he’s not. It’s a dangerous mindset

Tiktok is the place to be your most authentic insane self so you can get insane responses in return, so I guess part of the shtick is that yes, that's going to get and generate some interactions. And some people find that stuff hilarious? It's not for me.

So, it's just a social media rumor anyway and probably unsubstantiated. Even if it exists, it could just be part of a key cut scene and players never interact with it.

If anyone cares:

Will GTA 6 have Pride parades? Rumor explored
https://www.sportskeeda.com/gta/will...rumor-explored

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yes it can actually be embarrassing after the 4th or 5th time as you run out of funny things to say

I probably make my encounters worse when something like this happens because I'm a very awkward person in front of strangers, and I don't really speak much.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Pink isn't bringing her daughter up gender neutral

That's a relief.

Because I don't believe that parents should be forcing labels onto their kids.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

"obviously not to say all effeminate boys are gay but stereotypes do exist for a reason, so often it’s the case they are".


Try saying that about terrorism and Muslims..see where that gets you.

It's true with Muslims too.

Or any stereotype, they're stereotypes for a reason.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly and this isn't a new phenomenon either, this was what we were aiming for since the 90s, letting children be themselves regardless of their sex

Well didn't the 80's for example bring Tomboys to the mainstream?

Surely Zizu has seen those types of women at some point in his life.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's a relief.

Because I don't believe that parents should be forcing labels onto their kids.

Gender neutral isn’t a label, it’s a way of not forcing a label or identity onto a child and letting them decide for themselves

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Maru

I think the joke is they (the developers) chose to put the parade in the game probably amusingly under the guise to "increase representation", but full well knowing what might actually happen with that from the player's end... so that's irony in itself.

Everything is fair game in GTA, similar to South Park, so it's the worst place to find representation, imo. People play it for the shock factor. It would be a bit silly for people to be bothered by it now when the player is encouraged to blow up prostitutes and run over innocent people "for the fun in it".

Grand Theft Auto 6 has a chance to fix the franchise’s terrible record on LGBTQ+ representation
https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/...epresentation/

I hate to break it to whoever wrote that article, but Trevor's main purpose in the Game was about him being a psychopath rather than his sexuality.

Which imo is a good thing, because we have too much fiction nowadays that are more bothered about identity Politics rather than if the character has a good personality, or is well developed.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Gender neutral isn’t a label, it’s a way of not forcing a label or identity onto a child and letting them decide for themselves

I'm talking about if Pink had've forced her child to be not identifying as a girl, which I thought that Zizu was implying that at first.

Because to me that kind of stuff needs to be decided by the child, which thankfully it seems like Pink is doing.

I personally don't even understand why Zizu is having an issue with gender neutral parenting? Now that I'm understanding it better.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm talking about if Pink had've forced her child to be not identifying as a girl, which I thought that Zizu was implying that at first.

Because to me that kind of stuff needs to be decided by the child, which thankfully it seems like Pink is doing.

I personally don't even understand why Zizu is having an issue with gender neutral parenting? Now that I'm understanding it better.

its just ridiculous, because you cant decide to be male or female you are what you are born, if you want to decide down the line that is not for you fair enough, but parents telling their children they are neither male or female is a bit mad ...?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm talking about if Pink had've forced her child to be not identifying as a girl, which I thought that Zizu was implying that at first.

Because to me that kind of stuff needs to be decided by the child, which thankfully it seems like Pink is doing.

I personally don't even understand why Zizu is having an issue with gender neutral parenting? Now that I'm understanding it better.

Who knows what that kind of parenting leads to ??

Seems odd that her daughter just happens to present as a non girly -girl ..

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

its just ridiculous, because you cant decide to be male or female you are what you are born, if you want to decide down the line that is not for you fair enough, but parents telling their children they are neither male or female is a bit mad ...?

I agree with you if that's what Pink was doing.

But basically Pink is acknowledging that she has a Daughter, but is letting her Daughter wear whatever she feels comfortable wearing, rather than forcing her Daughter to conform against her wishes.

Personally I don't see an issue with Pink's view, in an ideal world anyway.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Who knows what that kind of parenting leads to ??

Seems odd that her daughter just happens to present as a non girly -girl ..

She looks like a Tomboy to me.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

its just ridiculous, because you cant decide to be male or female you are what you are born, if you want to decide down the line that is not for you fair enough, but parents telling their children they are neither male or female is a bit mad ...?

I agree with that. Although, I also think too many parents go to far the other way in terms of expecting gender conformity and that's actually part of the - for want of a better word - confusion.

If people keep insisting "Boys are x/y/z and girls are a/b/c" then inevitably when you have a boy that likes and does "girl stuff" or a girl that likes and does "boy stuff" (be that activities, fashion or anything else) then it inevitably causes a mess when, of course, some boys and girls don't like "the right things" -- and then, perhaps, start to believe that if they "like that stuff" and "like that look" then they MUST "be that gender"... because that's what the world has told them repeatedly. When it is in fact just all random established social norms that mean nothing about sex or gender, other than when people insist on conformity.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Who knows what that kind of parenting leads to ??

Seems odd that her daughter just happens to present as a non girly -girl ..

Prime example really. The idea that Pink's daughter "isn't very girly" therefore she must be "trans or gender neutral" ... rather than just being a girl with short hair.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Who knows what that kind of parenting leads to ??

Seems odd that her daughter just happens to present as a non girly -girl ..

So what if she's not a "girly-girl" though? What's the actual problem with that for you? So weird

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

She looks like a Tomboy to me.

Exactly

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So what if she's not a "girly-girl" though? What's the actual problem with that for you? So weird

The majority of girls are feminine and have built in ‘instincts’

Pink has raised her daughter in a ‘different’ way and the result is a tomboy - that’s going against the law of averages .