[DemRed]

What is Israels game plan in Gaza? We are 18 months into this bloodshed, nothing has been achieved. The true path to peace doesn’t lie in war but in genuine dialogue and diplomacy.
When there was a ceasefire in Jan, 45 Israeli hostages were released. Then Israel resumed the war and there are no hostage release. The majority of hostages have been released through negotiations, not warfare, yet Israel continues to justify its brutality.
Israels game plan has been clear all along. To maintain control, silence opposition and avoid real conversations.

And this isn’t about the Israeli people. Thousands upon thousands of Jews in Israel have protested, spoken out and condemned the Israeli government. Many IDF soldiers have committed suicide because of what they have witnessed. Reserves have refused to go into Gaza and released hostages have refused to meet Netanyahu because they feel betrayed. Netanyahu and his fascist far right regime have put Jewish lives in danger around the world.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemRed

What is Israels game plan in Gaza? We are 18 months into this bloodshed, nothing has been achieved. The true path to peace doesn’t lie in war but in genuine dialogue and diplomacy.
When there was a ceasefire in Jan, 45 Israeli hostages were released. Then Israel resumed the war and there are no hostage release. The majority of hostages have been released through negotiations, not warfare, yet Israel continues to justify its brutality.
Israels game plan has been clear all along. To maintain control, silence opposition and avoid real conversations.

And this isn’t about the Israeli people. Thousands upon thousands of Jews in Israel have protested, spoken out and condemned the Israeli government. Many IDF soldiers have committed suicide because of what they have witnessed. Reserves have refused to go into Gaza and released hostages have refused to meet Netanyahu because they feel betrayed. Netanyahu and his fascist far right regime have put Jewish lives in danger around the world.

And Hamas, what are the aims of Hamas?

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Beso

And Hamas, what are the aims of Hamas?

Hamas have clearly stated they want a permanent ceasefire

Putting aside the 2 million innocent Palestinians, Hamas is living amongst them and Israel don't have much of a clue who they are. Facial recognition can't be picked out on Hamas fighters because they all wear face coverings, so all the Israeli army can rely on are internal spies and people grassing them in.
The problem (at least I have a problem) with this, is the IDF then use a method called "Daddy's home". Wait for the culprit to come home to his wife and children and then directly target their home, killing everyone inside.
In the long term this has proven not to work. There are more Hamas fighters now than prior to Oct 7th.
And its not just Hamas, the al-Quds Brigades who are as big as Hamas, the armed wing of the PIJ, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the Al-Nasser Salah al-Din Brigade.
Experts on Iraq and Afghanistan have said this is an impossible war to win.

[Beso]

Lol.... at the top bit....what a load of rubbbish.


We want a ceasefire, after murdering babies with shovels and our bare hands...we want a ceasefire now...


Ridiculous.



If I were IDF, I would be looking for people with missing body parts, blown away by the walkie talkie.


Lol @ them wanting a ceasefire now though, that's almost funny.

[bots]

I still can't comprehend how people think "good sport" rules apply in war. The objective is to win. There is nothing nice about war. When your country's very existence is under threat, you protect it with any means necessary

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Perhaps those who have only followed MSM on Israel and Palestine, will now see what millions of us have witnessed on alternative media.
Now our government has withdrawn its support of Israel, the papers will be awash with all the things they've been asked to cover up.

Every time you come here you intimate you're privy to information that the rest of us ignore. Or that your intelligence leads you to the shining grail of news that us lesser mortals just can't see. That everyone on here laps up tabloid news and ignores serious news. Perhaps you'd like to share with the group these noble outlets of yours so we can all have a look. I'm guessing it's somewhere that drinks in every Hamas press release it receives.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

I still can't comprehend how people think "good sport" rules apply in war. The objective is to win. There is nothing nice about war. When your country's very existence is under threat, you protect it with any means necessary

Yes "good sport rules" such as not starving children do apply and are war crimes. The justification of "necessary genocide" is absolutely insane.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemRed

What is Israels game plan in Gaza? We are 18 months into this bloodshed, nothing has been achieved. The true path to peace doesn’t lie in war but in genuine dialogue and diplomacy.
When there was a ceasefire in Jan, 45 Israeli hostages were released. Then Israel resumed the war and there are no hostage release. The majority of hostages have been released through negotiations, not warfare, yet Israel continues to justify its brutality.
Israels game plan has been clear all along. To maintain control, silence opposition and avoid real conversations.

And this isn’t about the Israeli people. Thousands upon thousands of Jews in Israel have protested, spoken out and condemned the Israeli government. Many IDF soldiers have committed suicide because of what they have witnessed. Reserves have refused to go into Gaza and released hostages have refused to meet Netanyahu because they feel betrayed. Netanyahu and his fascist far right regime have put Jewish lives in danger around the world.

So... nothing to do with the fact that fundamental Islam in general and Hamas in particular, want the Jews gone from the face of the earth. No, it's Israel's fault Jews are being attacked. What was the reason we were being attacked prior to 7th October? Still Israel's fault? How about before the mandate in 1948? Yeah, let me guess... Israel's fault.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Yes "good sport rules" such as not starving children do apply and are war crimes. The justification of "necessary genocide" is absolutely insane.

a very naive response

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

Every time you come here you intimate you're privy to information that the rest of us ignore. Or that your intelligence leads you to the shining grail of news that us lesser mortals just can't see. That everyone on here laps up tabloid news and ignores serious news. Perhaps you'd like to share with the group these noble outlets of yours so we can all have a look. I'm guessing it's somewhere that drinks in every Hamas press release it receives.

And every time I come here, you attempt to intimidate me! You do it with most of the people who disagree with you, but there we are... there's always one
Of course you choose to ignore me because you neither have or want the inconvenient information I have.
As for intelligence, I have to question yours. A lawyer indeed who spends most of her time scripting short, pointed and insulting posts on a Big Brother forum.
Your sarcy ways have always ensured the audience and contributors to a thread remain low.
And NO I wouldn't like to share anything with you.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Beso

Lol.... at the top bit....what a load of rubbbish.


We want a ceasefire, after murdering babies with shovels and our bare hands...we want a ceasefire now...


Ridiculous.



If I were IDF, I would be looking for people with missing body parts, blown away by the walkie talkie.


Lol @ them wanting a ceasefire now though, that's almost funny.

Geez really?! one baby were killed on Oct 7th and that's been well documented

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decode...6667274_8.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemRed

And every time I come here, you attempt to intimidate me! You do it with most of the people who disagree with you, but there we are... there's always one
Of course you choose to ignore me because you neither have or want the inconvenient information I have.
As for intelligence, I have to question yours. A lawyer indeed who spends most of her time scripting short, pointed and insulting posts on a Big Brother forum.
Your sarcy ways have always ensured the audience and contributors to a thread remain low.
And NO I wouldn't like to share anything with you.

If you feel intimidated by a stranger on a forum who you're never going to run into I'd say the problem is yours. You spend the whole post insulting me and then claim I'm the one being insulting. You're not going to share anything with me. Course not. You might have to back up some of your claims.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Geez really?! one baby were killed on Oct 7th and that's been well documented

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decode...6667274_8.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

Uninformed.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

a very naive response

I'll take "naive" over lazy pub anti-intellectualism any day of the week bots. International law exists for a reason, or at least it used to, the fact that you apparently find it "naive" and believe that "anything goes in war" is a slippery slope that I'm not going to join you on.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Geez really?! one baby were killed on Oct 7th and that's been well documented

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decode...6667274_8.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

From your 1st link..


However, in the horror of this massacre, in which 38 minors including two infants were killed

[Beso]

One of them also states, 6000 Palestinians took part on Oct 7th, 2800 of which were hamas operatives..

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

So... nothing to do with the fact that fundamental Islam in general and Hamas in particular, want the Jews gone from the face of the earth. No, it's Israel's fault Jews are being attacked. What was the reason we were being attacked prior to 7th October? Still Israel's fault? How about before the mandate in 1948? Yeah, let me guess... Israel's fault.

So you support what Netanyahu is doing.
17000 dead children and counting. Many with sniper bullets to the head whilst laying injured in the bombed rubble. Thousands more face imminent death from starvation and lack of medical facilities.
211 journalists targeted and murdered by the IDF
408 aid workers including more than 280 UNRWA staff have been killed in Gaza since the war began.
Entire families obliterated.
The IDF film themselves whilst setting dogs on disabled and the elderly.
Mass graves reveal the dead, hands zipped behind their backs and shot in the back of the head.
According to a United Nations Special Committee, Amnesty International, and other experts and human rights organisations, Israel is committing genocide.

And you highlight one comment because you are looking to be offended.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Beso

From your 1st link..


However, in the horror of this massacre, in which 38 minors including two infants were killed

The IDF were ordered to use the Hannibal Directive. Surviving Israelis have spoken out about helicopters and tanks shooting at anyone that moved.

Even if they did kill 38 minors, is that enough reason to kill 1700 children in Gaza?

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you feel intimidated by a stranger on a forum who you're never going to run into I'd say the problem is yours. You spend the whole post insulting me and then claim I'm the one being insulting. You're not going to share anything with me. Course not. You might have to back up some of your claims.

Oh I'm not intimidated by you, even though you try your best. You are water off a ducks back.... a bit annoying, but in a trivial, somewhat amusing way.
I started this post with my right to freedom of speech. I directed what I said at nobody on here and you flew in, in your hawkish way and started insulting me. I knew you would do it, just wish I'd put a bet on it!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Oh I'm not intimidated by you, even though you try your best. You are water off a ducks back.... a bit annoying, but in a trivial, somewhat amusing way.
I started this post with my right to freedom of speech. I directed what I said at nobody on here and you flew in, in your hawkish way and started insulting me. I knew you would do it, just wish I'd put a bet on it!

I'd like to go back to you not wanting to share anything with me. It suited me just fine. You're deluded at best and dangerously ill-informed at worse.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Beso

One of them also states, 6000 Palestinians took part on Oct 7th, 2800 of which were hamas operatives..

Oh, but her news sources are second to none!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemRed

The IDF were ordered to use the Hannibal Directive. Surviving Israelis have spoken out about helicopters and tanks shooting at anyone that moved.

Even if they did kill 38 minors, is that enough reason to kill 1700 children in Gaza?

Is the killing of 38 minors not enough to stop you flippantly dismissing their deaths?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Is the killing of 38 minors not enough to stop you flippantly dismissing their deaths?

You know, it's perfectly possible to acknowledge the horrors of Oct 7th and still be very, very clear that it doesn't justify the things that have happened to the Palestinian civilian population since then. "But Hamas!" just isn't a good enough reason for millions of people to be bombed and starved. It never will be, nothing could be.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

You know, it's perfectly possible to acknowledge the horrors of Oct 7th and still be very, very clear that it doesn't justify the things that have happened to the Palestinian civilian population since then. "But Hamas!" just isn't a good enough reason for millions of people to be bombed and starved. It never will be, nothing could be.

Hamas made up less than half of the invading forces on Oct 7th, the rest were Palestinians.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Hamas made up less than half of the invading forces on Oct 7th, the rest were Palestinians.

It was a few thousand people and you're saying that's reason enough to kill and starve millions. Make it make sense.