[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Do you have any stats on how likely they are to commit sexual violence towards female children than a woman is?

No. There is data to suggest (though this has partly been discredited) they are more likely to commit a violent crime than cis woman, however there is no data on who the victim is.

Between 2013 - 2023, the number of rape/sexual offences in the UK that took place in a public bathroom was 210 over a 10 year period. That's 21 cases a year. So approximately 0.010% of all of rape/sexual assault cases. Most of them will have been committed by straight, cis men.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

No. There is data to suggest (though this has partly been discredited) they are more likely to commit a violent crime than cis woman, however there is no data on who the victim is.

Between 2013 - 2023, the number of rape/sexual offences in the UK that took place in a public bathroom was 210 over a 10 year period. That's 21 cases a year. So approximately 0.010% of all of rape/sexual assault cases. Most of them will have been committed by straight, cis men.

So all those offences have been committed on transwomen?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It's transmens choice if they wish to use male spaces imo. Unless men complain about that, in which case a discussion needs to be had (not #nodebate stonewall)

Personally I would not walk into a man's space without men's permission, so that's generally where I've left it.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So all those offences have been committed on transwomen?

No, sorry if unclear. That’s all cases regardless of the victims demographic.

My point was in that setting it counts from such a small amount of overall cases that the suggestion trans women aren’t facing this massive threat to cis women in this scenario is not true.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Lesbians are throwing a party at the last part.

I had to play on one negative stereotype from this article.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

Do you have any stats on how likely they are to commit sexual violence towards female children than a woman is?

Tbf the same can be said for biological men as well.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

No, sorry if unclear. That’s all cases regardless of the victims demographic.

My point was in that setting it counts from such a small amount of overall cases that the suggestion trans women aren’t facing this massive threat to cis women in this scenario is not true.

It doesn't matter how small the threat is, and the fact is self ID increased the thread exponentially not just in bathrooms but in sport, in the workplace, in refuges, hell even in rape crisis centres where in Scotland one centre had a transwoman in charge, I could walk down the street at night and 99 times out of a 100 I would be okay but there is that 1 per cent chance I would not, women got on fine for years with transwomen and we accommodated them with no issue but when it gets to the point rapists were considered to be okay to go to womens prisons because they self ID while in custody and this ideology was backed by politicians, and women in sport were being put at a disadvantage and at risk, womens refuges were no longer a safe haven the time had come to say no.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce39v5k0gx2o.amp

https://news.sky.com/story/transgend...lgirl-12883405

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It doesn't matter how small the threat is, and the fact is self ID increased the thread exponentially not just in bathrooms but in sport, in the workplace, in refuges, hell even in rape crisis centres where in Scotland one centre had a transwoman in charge, I could walk down the street at night and 99 times out of a 100 I would be okay but there is that 1 per cent chance I would not, women got on fine for years with transwomen and we accommodated them with no issue but when it gets to the point rapists were considered to be okay to go to womens prisons because they self ID while in custody and this ideology was backed by politicians, and women in sport were being put at a disadvantage and at risk, womens refuges were no longer a safe haven the time had come to say no.

Great post, agree with all of that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Okay cool. But you’re fine with them using women’s spaces too, if they want to?

If they don't pass yes. If this is the case then they will probably be at risk in the mens. Most transmen I have met just look a bit butch. But testosterone is strong stuff so I know it's quite possible for them to fully pass

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Lesbians are throwing a party at the last part.

I had to play on one negative stereotype from this article.

Lesbian groups have been under attack for some time now. Being told they are transphobic for not dating/including transwomen. Look up 'cotton ceiling'. It's all quite vile.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Lesbian groups have been under attack for some time now. Being told they are transphobic for not dating/including transwomen. Look up 'cotton ceiling'. It's all quite vile.

Oh I know that there has been a strenuous relationship between some of the Lesbian community and some of the Transwomen for awhile now.

Hopefully it'll all calm down between both sides eventually.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Lesbian groups have been under attack for some time now. Being told they are transphobic for not dating/including transwomen. Look up 'cotton ceiling'. It's all quite vile.

Reading between the lines.

Ugly men, can't get a woman, so turn into a woman, thinking it makes them more appealing.

Find out it doesn't. so take it out on women.

[BBXX]

Yes, there are some extremists who think it's transphobic to not want to date a trans person - I have a problem with that and it feels gay-erasure-esque. However it's a tiny minority of a minority. It feels hyperbolic to say lesbians are "under attack".

It's so weird because whenever minorities are discussed, conversation always turns to the extremists within that group, the group that by far do not represent the majority of people within that demographic. It happens all the time.

This whole conversation has been hyperbolic in fact, this idea that trans women are some extreme threat to women because of a few isolated incidences where a trans woman existing has negatively effected a cis woman.

A recent study showed that a third of men would rape a woman if they thought there'd be no consequences/nobody would ever find out. A third of straight cis University students. A third. But instead the world seems to focus on trans women being this insane threat to every other woman out there. Give me a break.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If they don't pass yes. If this is the case then they will probably be at risk in the mens. Most transmen I have met just look a bit butch. But testosterone is strong stuff so I know it's quite possible for them to fully pass

That's fine, thanks for admitting it's not about the importance of biological sex at all, it's just about how they look.

It's interesting trans men are given the "for their safety they can use the bathroom they are most safe in" but trans women aren't granted that pass. Patriarchy, amirite?

[Niamh.]

So it's not about biological sex but also it's the "Patriarchy" when transwomen (biological men are exculded) seems like the opposite of Patriarchy to me

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So it's not about biological sex but also it's the "Patriarchy" when transwomen (biological men are exculded) seems like the opposite of Patriarchy to me

It's patriarchal because you're giving those living life as a man a pass on which spaces they can use depending on where they feel most safe, while limiting the spaces some people living as women get access to.

Who'd have thought living life as a man granted you extra privileges. A tale as old as time. Shame so many women in this thread are upholding it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It's patriarchal because you're giving those living life as a man a pass on which spaces they can use depending on where they feel most safe, while limiting the spaces some people living as women get access to.



Who'd have thought living life as a man granted you extra privileges. A tale as old as time. Shame so many women in this thread are upholding it.

Unfortunately that's not how it works, we can't just opt in to male privilege. Odd how you think we're the only group that can opt in to privilege though,

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Unfortunately that's not how it works, we can't just opt in to male privilege. Odd how you think we're the only group that can opt in to privilege though,

Every group has their own set of privileges, of course. I'm just talking about this specific example with that specific opinion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Every group has their own set of privileges, of course. I'm just talking about this specific example with that specific opinion.

Mmhhmm sure you are, you sound like the Patriarchy to me trying to take away women only spaces and then gaslight women who say no, a tale as old as time unfortunately

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Mmhhmm sure you are, you sound like the Patriarchy to me trying to take away women only spaces and then gaslight women who say no, a tale as old as time unfortunately

My opinion has nothing to do with women, it has everything to do with trans people.

You think my opinion is to do with women because you see trans women as men, and I don't.

I'm not gaslighting anyone, I'm disagreeing and pointing out flaws in the latest argument that trans men's identity is valid or not depending on how they look (they can use woman's facilities if they don't pass), but a trans woman's identity is never valid.

It seems completely hypocritical to talk about the importance of the law and what it states, and the importance of it being rooted in bioloigcal sex but then switching and saying "Hey, even though I view you as a woman, despite you identifying as a man, I'm going to have to ask you to use break the law and use the mens because...well you look too butch". I mean it's a win for the trans man because they get to use the facilities they want, but it's hypocritical and inconsistent.

It's a viewpoint that undermines both the law and the importance of biological sex that so many of you have been using as reasoning for trans women to be kept separate from cis women. So I ask, is it important or not?

I would say no, it's not important and everyone should have the same privilege as everyone else to use the facilities for the gender they are living life as. Vicky would say: it depends if they have facial hair. Huh.

Sorry but dictating someone's access to things based on how you perceive them based on how they look is plain wrong, and if pointing that out is gaslighting then so be it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

Reading between the lines.

Ugly men, can't get a woman, so turn into a woman, thinking it makes them more appealing.

Find out it doesn't. so take it out on women.

The kind of men that you're talking about tend to visit either r/NiceGuys or r/Inbreeding.

Search those two Subreddits up, they don't strike me as Transwomen from the way that they post over on them two places.

[Beso]

Nobody wants to see a bearded woman bending her bare arse over a urinal to squeeze out a pee.

[Mystic Mock]

And yes, I have heard about both places from other Social Media outlets... Unfortunately.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes, there are some extremists who think it's transphobic to not want to date a trans person - I have a problem with that and it feels gay-erasure-esque. However it's a tiny minority of a minority. It feels hyperbolic to say lesbians are "under attack".

It's so weird because whenever minorities are discussed, conversation always turns to the extremists within that group, the group that by far do not represent the majority of people within that demographic. It happens all the time.

This whole conversation has been hyperbolic in fact, this idea that trans women are some extreme threat to women because of a few isolated incidences where a trans woman existing has negatively effected a cis woman.

A recent study showed that a third of men would rape a woman if they thought there'd be no consequences/nobody would ever find out. A third of straight cis University students. A third. But instead the world seems to focus on trans women being this insane threat to every other woman out there. Give me a break.

A third of men are basically saying that they have considered raping women in the past?

That's a horrifying statistic.