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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think tbf to a lot of Reform voters, I think that they're scared because the country is in a really bad way (due to Brexit, COVID etc,) and our two major parties being a shadow of their former selves going from one disaster to the next.

I mean I can't believe these two parties historically have Clement Atlee and Winston Churchill in their parties, and now it's Starmer and Badenoch, who have debates about what they eat for lunch.

Unfortunately like with any bad thing that comes to the forefront, we have to blame Labour and Tories as to why people are looking towards Reform, and therefore getting more politically extreme because of it.

I get that there are bad apples within the supporter base (like you've mentioned Joey) but even they have probably become that way due to years of disappointment from our two main parties.

I agree, the failures of ALL Parties that's been in government because I put the LibDems in there too, for the really bad things they supported during their 5 shared power coalition years in government.

However instead of both Conservative and Labour not standing up to Reform via at present, Labour not having a clue how to play it.
Badenoch with the Conservatives is more just running up Farage's and Reform's backside.

Plus too, there's how to deal with a deranged and unhinged more like lunatic in the USA at present.

However we've had in the last 80 years mainly capitalist, right wing government for nearly 50 of those years.
If right wing policies are the best for the UK, that doesn't show that.
So for me, to even look at a more far right Party like Reform doesn't seem in any shape or form to be a wise choice.
Not that I could myself ever choose Reform, I've had Reform supporters, dead seriously to mine and others faces, tell me, '' the more who drown crossing the channel the better''.
That's sick.
However then, to a challenge that they are human beings too, the next response is, from those Reform supporters that '' they don't see immigrants as PEOPLE, they're just numbers needing to be got rid of''.

Not a chance I myself would ever want to be associated with people like that .
No way at all.
Plus too, I've never liked or trusted Farage.
His misleading in the EU referendum was more than enough to see his faults.

So unless there is a great improvement over the years by this government, or the Conservatives can get a better leader and move back to a more moderate position as to policies with less ugly rhetoric and not just follow Reform.
I haven't a clue where I could now settle politically.

Certainly not the cranky Greens with 2 leaders and policies they never really spell out.
Some of their ideas sound like madness.
Plus the LibDems more seem to just clown around.

Your last paragraph makes depressing reading because it's very valid, insightful and explains a fair bit.
I just cannot see where there's any answers from Farage's Reform.
He blamed the EU, scapegoating the free movement of people from the EU for the UKs ills.
Now we've left and that was stopped.
He cannot blame that any more, so now he's scapegoating not only those in the dinghy's coming over, however other migrants too of those from other Countries and cultures.
His and Reform's more prejudical rhetoric is awful in my view.
It's really sad that voters in the UK feel there's anything much of decency about Farage's Reform.
I just cannot ever and neither would I want to, subscribe to not wanting to more protect and respect other human beings.
I wouldn't want to also scapegoat them and try to whip up distrust and even hate against them divisively just because they're another culture or from other Countries.

I find it very sinister and unnecessarily so too.
That's my view anyway.