[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

Course it is, look at her smile.

…. and the risk of drowning due to no safety jacket ?


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's as much evidence of a stranger having kidnapped Maddie as any other theory in this case (which is zero) The one thing we do know for sure is that Maddies parents left her and her younger siblings alone in the apartment and went out for the evening. Perhaps that is why people tend to focus on that part of it. So far there has been no link between this German guy and Maddie other than he was in that area at the time

.. and he was a convicted paedo ?


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

…. and the risk of drowning due to no safety jacket ?


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Less than your kid being killed by a motorist whilst out playing on a bike.

[Glenn.]

And clearly less than being left on your own while your parents go out for drinks

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

For all we know the monsters ARE the parents

You like betting against the favourites?

You just get better odds but hardly EVER win anything


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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You like betting against the favourites?

You just get better odds but hardly EVER win anything


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We’re taking about a child’s life

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

Less than your kid being killed by a motorist whilst out playing on a bike.

I’d take my chances on a bike .. never ever had any trouble on bikes down the years but I have come close to drowning twice ..

It would only take a freak wave or a mistake from dad and they are both in immediate trouble ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

We’re taking about a child’s life

Yeah and I am saying it was more likely to have been one of the several known paedos in the area RATHER than her loving parents


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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yeah and I am saying it was more likely to have been one of the several known paedos in the area RATHER than her loving parents


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Her neglectful parents


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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

.. and he was a convert paedo ?


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what's a convert paedo?

Regardless, yeah I'm sure there are paedos in a lot of areas. There is still no evidence we've seen yet actually linking him to Maddie. If you want to talk statistics though, it's far more likely (statistically speaking) when a child is harmed or murdered that it was a relative or someone known to the family that did it. And in fact the only actual evidence ever brought forward was the cadaver and blood dogs who pointed to the apartment and McCanns hire car. But I digress, my point is that so far no real strong evidence of what actually happened to poor Maddie has been found so asking "What about the Monster" is meaningless when no one (no matter what opinions you have) actually knows what happened to that girl and who that (or those) monster is

[Glenn.]

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

Certainly not, furthest I would go is my own garden, in my own town in my own country...


Not even sure why they took the kids on holiday, seeing as they spent every available hour at the hotels kids club.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

Well we never let our kids out of our sight until they were about 13 or 14 but we are both worriers ( and non drinkers )

So many couples ( many people in fact ) have lives centred around drinking alcohol at home or at bars and clubs !!

To everyone
How many of your friends and family are non drinkers ? Bet its the vast minority !!


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

Not even sure why they took the kids on holiday, seeing as they spent every available hour at the hotels kids club.

Only evenings .. I am sure they had wonderful family times during the daytime especially given they were fairly wealthy


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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

…I did read that it was also because it happened overseas and the children being left in the apartment as they were didn’t fit with what what would be illegal in Portugal in terms of any neglect charges…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

what's a convert paedo?

Regardless, yeah I'm sure there are paedos in a lot of areas. There is still no evidence we've seen yet actually linking him to Maddie. If you want to talk statistics though, it's far more likely (statistically speaking) when a child is harmed or murdered that it was a relative or someone known to the family that did it. And in fact the only actual evidence ever brought forward was the cadaver and blood dogs who pointed to the apartment and McCanns hire car. But I digress, my point is that so far no real strong evidence of what actually happened to poor Maddie has been found so asking "What about the Monster" is meaningless when no one (no matter what opinions you have) actually knows what happened to that girl and who that (or those) monster is

Bloody predictive text


“ Convicted “


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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well we never let our kids out of our sight until they were about 13 or 14 but we are both worriers ( and non drinkers )

So many couples ( many people in fact ) have lives centred around drinking alcohol at home or at bars and clubs !!

To everyone
How many of your friends and family are non drinkers ? Bet its the vast minority !!


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Not sure what your point is about drinking alcohol. You agree that the parents were negligent in leaving them then yes? As a parent who never let your kids out of your sight you agree that you’d never leave your children in a hotel room anywhere.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

There would have been next to no risk at all if her neglectful parents hadn’t left them. I’d ask the parents of TiBB to confirm whether they would leave their young children in a hotel room anywhere in the world to go out for drinks. Let’s see who will die on this hill.

Absolutely not and I would also wonder how true the claim made that loads of people do that on Holiday is. In my experience most people when on holiday with children take them with them for food in the evening, you'd often see younger children asleep in buggys towards the end of the evening

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Only evenings .. I am sure they had wonderful family times during the daytime especially given they were fairly wealthy


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Never evenings, they were in the kids club during the day. If they'd been at a kids club in the evening, we wouldn't be here talking about this now...

[Zizu]

It's difficult to provide a precise number of parents who leave their children unattended on holiday. While the law doesn't specify a minimum age, many parents and carers leave children home alone during the summer holidays, which can be a serious issue.
The NSPCC Helpline saw a large increase in contacts related to children being left alone or unsupervised during the summer holidays. In 2022, they received 453 calls and emails about children being left alone.
Between 1957 and 2023, the NSPCC Helpline received 4,717 contacts about children being left alone or unsupervised. 1,015 of these contacts were made during July and August.
The NSPCC has also reported a significant increase in concerns raised by adults about children being left alone, with a 65% increase in adult concerns.
It's important to remember that while there is no legal age for leaving children alone, parents and carers should carefully consider their child's maturity and ability to cope with unexpected situations. The NSPCC urges parents to think carefully about whether their child is ready to be left home alone.


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[Zizu]

During the months of July and August, there’s an increase in contacts to our Helpline about children being left home alone.
Neglect was the top concern in Helpline sessions in 2022/23, with 11,428 contacts. Of these, more than 40% (4,717) mentioned a child being left alone or unsupervised.
The number of contacts about children being left unsupervised increased during the summer holidays, with 1,015 contacts to the Helpline about this issue over July and August in 2022.
We wouldn’t recommend leaving a child under 12 years old home alone, particularly for a long time.


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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

During the months of July and August, there’s an increase in contacts to our Helpline about children being left home alone.
Neglect was the top concern in Helpline sessions in 2022/23, with 11,428 contacts. Of these, more than 40% (4,717) mentioned a child being left alone or unsupervised.
The number of contacts about children being left unsupervised increased during the summer holidays, with 1,015 contacts to the Helpline about this issue over July and August in 2022.
We wouldn’t recommend leaving a child under 12 years old home alone, particularly for a long time.


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I'm talking about when people are on foreign holidays not when children are on their summer holidays from school.

[Zizu]

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann left their three children alone in their apartment every night of their holiday because they did not want a stranger to babysit, it has emerged.
But, tragically, the routine may have allowed whoever abducted their daughter the chance to build up a picture of their movements while he planned his crime.


Doctors Kate and Gerry McCann decided not to employ a £10-an-hour babysitter to look after Madeleine, three, and two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, while they went for dinner, because they "don't like leaving them with strangers", their family said.
Mrs McCann's mother, Susan Healy, said the couple had made a mistake in leaving the children alone, but criticism of them was totally unjustified

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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann left their three children alone in their apartment every night of their holiday because they did not want a stranger to babysit, it has emerged.
But, tragically, the routine may have allowed whoever abducted their daughter the chance to build up a picture of their movements while he planned his crime.


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Even worse that they did it every night. And people are defending this.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm talking about when people are on foreign holidays not when children are on their summer holidays from school.

It’s still neglect


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