[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Poor migrants my arse. They are a damm sight better off than you acknowledge.

You keep saying they’re “better off” and getting everything for free, but the facts don’t back that up. Most asylum seekers are banned from working legally, living in overcrowded hotels or hostels with mould and bedbugs, and surviving on about £7 a day if they’re lucky. That’s not some lavish setup—it’s deliberately grim to deter people from coming here.

And let’s be honest: if you or I were stuck in that situation, we’d be doing whatever we could to survive too. Blaming people who’ve got nothing and no way to earn is a lot easier than admitting the system is broken on purpose.

[Kate!]

There's no supposedly about it either, they are getting given stuff for free, paying no tax either. Despite the fact that the law clearly states as I posted earlier in the thread that they aren't allowed to work for 12 months and even then have to meet certain conditions and can only work in certain sectors. Fast food delivery is not one of them.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Poor migrants my arse. They are a damm sight better off than you acknowledge.

Very true.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

There's no supposedly about it either, they are getting given stuff for free, paying no tax either. Despite the fact that the law clearly states as I posted earlier in the thread that they aren't allowed to work for 12 months and even then have to meet certain conditions and can only work in certain sectors. Fast food delivery is not one of them.

How much tax do you pay? You are very vocal about this and I’m not sure you can really say much about it.

[Glenn.]

And in no way is that an insult. Just seems extremely hypocritical to me

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You keep saying they’re “better off” and getting everything for free, but the facts don’t back that up. Most asylum seekers are banned from working legally, living in overcrowded hotels or hostels with mould and bedbugs, and surviving on about £7 a day if they’re lucky. That’s not some lavish setup—it’s deliberately grim to deter people from coming here.

And let’s be honest: if you or I were stuck in that situation, we’d be doing whatever we could to survive too. Blaming people who’ve got nothing and no way to earn is a lot easier than admitting the system is broken on purpose.

7.00 a day is more than alot of people have, for instance families who use food banks, they are fed, have a roof over their head, have heating, have free dental and medical, and free travel, personally I think they should be allowed to work while they are waiting for their claims to be assessed, but they should be working legally and paying any relevant taxes like everyone else, as it stands due to the governments inertia they are stuck in a processing backlog, and are working illegally so you have to ask yourself is the government happy with this as they are doing their rich mates a favour by giving them cheap labour, just like they are doing their rich mates a favour by filling their hotels which would otherwise be partially empty....try thinking outside the box for a change and not be as accepting of what the government is trying to force us to accept as normal...you seem very hung up on migrants, you have no interest it seems in disabled citizens of the UK being sent into poverty

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

And in no way is that an insult. Just seems extremely hypocritical to me

How? I don't pay tax as you full well know. Irrelevant. I can protest on behalf of people who do, are you saying I can't? Why? What is hypocritical about it?

Never said you were being insulting either. Don't jump before you're bitten.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Cherie

7.00 a day is more than alot of people have, for instance families who use food banks, they are fed, have a roof over their head, have heating, have free dental and medical, and free travel, personally I think they should be allowed to work while they are waiting for their claims to be assessed, but they should be working legally and paying any relevant taxes like everyone else, as it stands due to the governments inertia they are stuck in a processing backlog, and are working illegally so you have to ask yourself is the government happy with this as they are doing their rich mates a favour by giving them cheap labour, just like they are doing their rich mates a favour by filling their hotels which would otherwise be partially empty....try thinking outside the box for a change and not be as accepting of what the government is trying to force us to accept as normal...you seem very hung up on migrants, you have no interest it seems in disabled citizens of the UK being sent into poverty

Utterly excellent post.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You keep saying they’re “better off” and getting everything for free, but the facts don’t back that up. Most asylum seekers are banned from working legally, living in overcrowded hotels or hostels with mould and bedbugs, and surviving on about £7 a day if they’re lucky. That’s not some lavish setup—it’s deliberately grim to deter people from coming here.

And let’s be honest: if you or I were stuck in that situation, we’d be doing whatever we could to survive too. Blaming people who’ve got nothing and no way to earn is a lot easier than admitting the system is broken on purpose.

What world do you live in. Bed bug ridden hotels, mould...what nonsense.

They have gyms, access to nhs with no waiting times, on call dentists. Licence free tv's, kids clubs, free security, and No fear of eviction if the bill is ain't paid.

They live in 4 star hotels up and down the country, and if they get full they get moved into free housing accommodation whilst vulnerable teenage girls sleep on the streets amongst the drink and drug adddled lost causes.

You are so out of touch and deliberately ignorant on these matters.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

7.00 a day is more than alot of people have, for instance families who use food banks, they are fed, have a roof over their head, have heating, have free dental and medical, and free travel, personally I think they should be allowed to work while they are waiting for their claims to be assessed, but they should be working legally and paying any relevant taxes like everyone else, as it stands due to the governments inertia they are stuck in a processing backlog, and are working illegally so you have to ask yourself is the government happy with this as they are doing their rich mates a favour by giving them cheap labour, just like they are doing their rich mates a favour by filling their hotels which would otherwise be partially empty....try thinking outside the box for a change and not be as accepting of what the government is trying to force us to accept as normal...you seem very hung up on migrants, you have no interest it seems in disabled citizens of the UK being sent into poverty

You’re assuming I don’t care about disabled people in poverty just because I’m talking about migrants in this thread. That’s a bit of a reach. It’s perfectly possible to think both situations are appalling without pitting them against each other like some misery Olympics.

And yes, I actually agree with you that people should be allowed to work legally while they wait. It would mean they could support themselves, pay tax, and avoid being exploited. But pretending £7 a day in grim, overcrowded hotels is a decent standard of living because some people in this country are also struggling is exactly the kind of divide-and-conquer thinking that lets the government off the hook for all of it.

So maybe take your own advice about thinking outside the box—this isn’t about picking which group to have empathy for. It’s about asking why so many people, British or not, are being forced into poverty in the first place.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

How? I don't pay tax as you full well know. Irrelevant. I can protest on behalf of people who do, are you saying I can't? Why? What is hypocritical about it?

Never said you were being insulting either. Don't jump before you're bitten.

You can protest all you like—no one said you can’t. But you have to admit it’s a bit rich to lecture everyone about who’s paying tax and funding the system when you openly don’t contribute yourself. That’s where the hypocrisy comes in.

And for the record, I’m not “jumping before I’m bitten”—I’m just pointing out the contradiction. If you’re going to take the moral high ground about taxpayers, maybe stand on something a bit more solid.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Beso

What world do you live in. Bed bug ridden hotels, mould...what nonsense.

They have gyms, access to nhs with no waiting times, on call dentists. Licence free tv's, kids clubs, free security, and No fear of eviction if the bill is ain't paid.

They live in 4 star hotels up and down the country, and if they get full they get moved into free housing accommodation whilst vulnerable teenage girls sleep on the streets amongst the drink and drug adddled lost causes.

You are so out of touch and deliberately ignorant on these matters.

Correct.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You can protest all you like—no one said you can’t. But you have to admit it’s a bit rich to lecture everyone about who’s paying tax and funding the system when you openly don’t contribute yourself. That’s where the hypocrisy comes in.

And for the record, I’m not “jumping before I’m bitten”—I’m just pointing out the contradiction. If you’re going to take the moral high ground about taxpayers, maybe stand on something a bit more solid.

The things I've said are facts, it's you who is in cloud cuckoo land. What Beso said is spot on.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

What world do you live in. Bed bug ridden hotels, mould...what nonsense.

They have gyms, access to nhs with no waiting times, on call dentists. Licence free tv's, kids clubs, free security, and No fear of eviction if the bill is ain't paid.

They live in 4 star hotels up and down the country, and if they get full they get moved into free housing accommodation whilst vulnerable teenage girls sleep on the streets amongst the drink and drug adddled lost causes.

You are so out of touch and deliberately ignorant on these matters.

Honestly, you’ve swallowed every tabloid headline going. If you think most asylum seekers are living in 4-star hotels with gyms and concierge service, you need to look at actual reports rather than clickbait.

The Home Office’s own inspections have found damp, mould, bed bugs, overcrowding, and serious safeguarding failures. That’s not “nonsense”—it’s in government documents, and plenty of charities and journalists have documented it repeatedly.

Yes, some hotels are used as emergency accommodation, but they’re often run-down budget chains, not spas. And let’s not pretend the NHS rolls out red carpets—people in the asylum system face the same waiting times and barriers as everyone else.

You can call me out of touch all you like, but you’re the one parroting fantasy lists about “on-call dentists” and “licence-free TVs” while ignoring the evidence. If you care about rough sleepers—and I do too—maybe direct some of that outrage at the politicians who choose to underfund services for everyone, instead of blaming desperate people who had no say in where they were sent.

[Kate!]

AND I worked most of my actual life FYI. Its only after my mum died and I became ill that I could no longer work. So I've more than paid into the system thank you.

[Kate!]

Migrants ... illegal migrants... are NOT desperate.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Migrants ... illegal migrants... are NOT desperate.

It’s honestly staggering how simplistic that take is. You really think people gamble everything and cross oceans in dinghies just for fun? That’s not just denial—it’s a complete failure to apply even basic critical thought.

[Crimson Dynamo]

DJE Media (Dan) Was auditing the Derby Migrant hotel

He found this on the floor outside the hotel

https://x.com/DJEMEDIA_/status/1939337136605646850

Youtube video

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/356394...ar_app_article

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s honestly staggering how simplistic that take is. You really think people gamble everything and cross oceans in dinghies just for fun? That’s not just denial—it’s a complete failure to apply even basic critical thought.

No, they come to milk the system dry.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Housing:
Asylum seekers may be provided with accommodation, which could be in a house, flat, hostel, or bed and breakfast.
Financial Support:
They may receive a weekly allowance to help with living expenses, including food, toiletries, clothes, and travel.
Healthcare:
Asylum seekers are entitled to free healthcare through the National Health Service (NHS), including access to doctors, hospitals, and potentially free prescriptions and dental care.
Education:
Children of asylum seekers are eligible for free state education, including access to free school meals.
Other Support:
In some cases, asylum seekers may be eligible for discretionary schemes run by local authorities or charities, such as free or discounted travel on public transport.

[Glenn.]

Just randomly found an NHS letter. Convincing. Really convincing

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Just randomly found an NHS letter. Convincing. Really convincing

Well it looks dammed official. Are you suggesting somebody typed it up on NHS letterhead.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

No, they come to milk the system dry.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Housing:
Asylum seekers may be provided with accommodation, which could be in a house, flat, hostel, or bed and breakfast.
Financial Support:
They may receive a weekly allowance to help with living expenses, including food, toiletries, clothes, and travel.
Healthcare:
Asylum seekers are entitled to free healthcare through the National Health Service (NHS), including access to doctors, hospitals, and potentially free prescriptions and dental care.
Education:
Children of asylum seekers are eligible for free state education, including access to free school meals.
Other Support:
In some cases, asylum seekers may be eligible for discretionary schemes run by local authorities or charities, such as free or discounted travel on public transport.

You do realise you’ve just listed the absolute basics any civilised country provides to stop people starving in the street, right? A mouldy room, a few quid a week, and a doctor’s appointment if you’re lucky isn’t exactly “milking the system dry.”

If you honestly think that’s some irresistible jackpot, it says more about how little you’ve bothered to understand than it does about them.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Well it looks dammed official. Are you suggesting somebody typed it up on NHS letterhead.

You realise how easy that would be easy to do right?

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You do realise you’ve just listed the absolute basics any civilised country provides to stop people starving in the street, right? A mouldy room, a few quid a week, and a doctor’s appointment if you’re lucky isn’t exactly “milking the system dry.”

If you honestly think that’s some irresistible jackpot, it says more about how little you’ve bothered to understand than it does about them.

ON TOP they get everything going, it's well publicised. They come here cos they know its a cushy number. Hypocritical is Yvette Cooper who welcomed them all with open arms yet recently praised the Sun for highlighting the disgraceful situation and the aforementioned milking the system.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You realise how easy that would be easy to do right?

But why would they? Your words hold no water. What would it achieve. That letter even has a bar code