[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I Couldn’t give fcuk about a rainbow and how many colours it has

Your posts in this thread are evident of that

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Your posts in this thread are evident of that

You were the only one to take my post seriously
So that says enough about you

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Your anti trans sentiment has played it's part in that acceptance going backwards so you might want to be careful about throwing stones.

Sigh

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You were the only one to take my post seriously
So that says enough about you

[Crimson Dynamo]

This black bench has been painted white by far right racists

[Beso]

Defend the bench.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

not being funny, but benches are vandalised, sprayed with graffiti every single day. I'm talking about memorial benches all over the country. Where is the outrage for that?

True, the worst are the ones dedicated to someone who has passed ...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I think people probably have an aspect of LGBT-fatigue. I think most people saw gay marriage as 'the final step' and anything more is "too much". I think the general public underestimate how prevalent homophobia can be so things like flags and pride are see as pointless and 'too much'.

I think religion isn't as much as an issue as we think it is. I think when it comes to things like polls to get a touchpoint on the attitude of the public in this country, most religious people will answer no to questions like "do you agree with homosexuality" or "do you agree with gay marriage", but generally, I don't think the out-and-out homophobic incidences/attacks are at the hands of religious people.

I think they're at the hands of those people who lack education, who are struggling, and angry at society because they feel abandoned. I think they're looking for people to blame and take their frustrations out on and because they probably find gay people a bit gross, that's who they choose.

Honestly, I think if there was a Venn diagram of "people who get into fights at the football", "people who attack gay people" and "people who vote reform", it would almost be a circle.

I think if you were to measure the social grade, income, education level and employment status of those three groups separately you'd see a huge correlation.

And that isn't to say the rich and well-educated aren't homophobic, but I think they portray it in different ways that can do just as much harm to LGBT people as a punch in the face, but just not physically, like through becoming a politician and campaigning to strip away rights, etc... they don't get sent to jail and then marked down as a crime statistic.

Thoughtful post

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Didn’t the thread about a statue of thatcher being egged get bumped today? Reading through that, public vandalism is frowned upon by certain members. I wonder why this hasn’t received the same condemnation.

It should do imo.

Vandalism is always a bad thing to do.

[Livia]

If someone took the time to paint over a rainbow bench, what a sad, angry, homophobic, pathetic little person that must be. Obviously, if it was a Muslim, then, it won't be homophobic and they have every right to do that because... Palestine.

[Glenn.]

Imagine being so desperate to twist everything into your culture war bingo card that you can’t just call out bigotry without adding some weird whataboutism.

It is homophobic to vandalize a Pride symbol, even though in this instant Pride isn’t part of it, just low intelligence, no matter who does it or what religion they follow. It doesn’t magically become acceptable because of any other cause. You don’t have to invent these bizarre double standards—just say it’s hateful and pathetic, full stop.

[bots]

with the thousands of benches that get vandalised every week, how do we precisley pick out an instance of bigotry? Do you not think that is a bit of a stretch?

People do these things because they think its funny and cool. If they wanted to be a bigot they could do it in much more fruitful ways

[Crimson Dynamo]

The bench looks better black and i am quite sure more people will sit there to "chat" than in its current activist state

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

If someone took the time to paint over a rainbow bench, what a sad, angry, homophobic, pathetic little person that must be. Obviously, if it was a Muslim, then, it won't be homophobic and they have every right to do that because... Palestine.

Why must it always be about race or religion? Nobody has said the above, nobody is claiming that Muslims can't be homophobic.

Newsflash: you can be against mass bombings/murder of a countries civilians even if the laws and religions in those countries condemn your way of life. It's called thinking of others.

In the same way I would condemn it if Hungary or Poland, two pretty staunch non-muslim EU anti-LGBT countries, were subject to mass bombings with thousands of civilians killed.

Just because a countries values condemn me, it doesn't mean I support its civilians being murdered. Sheesh.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thoughtful post

Why thank you.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The bench looks better black and i am quite sure more people will sit there to "chat" than in its current activist state

Most people with critical thinking skills and a shred of emotional intelligence wouldn't be put off sitting on a bench because of... a rainbow.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Most people with critical thinking skills and a shred of emotional intelligence wouldn't be put off sitting on a bench because of... a rainbow.

when you have the ability to speak for "most people " I am sure that you can make that proclamation

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Why must it always be about race or religion? Nobody has said the above, nobody is claiming that Muslims can't be homophobic.

Newsflash: you can be against mass bombings/murder of a countries civilians even if the laws and religions in those countries condemn your way of life. It's called thinking of others.

In the same way I would condemn it if Hungary or Poland, two pretty staunch EU anti-LGBT countries, were subject to mass bombings with thousands of civilians killed.

Just because a countries values condemn me, it doesn't mean I support its civilians being murdered. Sheesh.

It amuses me that allowances can be made for cultures that would hang gays but no allowances can be made for white people being ugly homophobes.

Over the last ten years Jewish graves have been desecrated, headstones smashed or daubed with swastikas. Jewish graves in the UK, London, Manchester, Kent, Belfast.... I mean... When this was mentioned before I remember being told by one of TiBB's gay community that it was probably just high spirits. So forgive me if I don't get bent out of shape over a bench being painted over nor spend any more time watching you go on a crusade to support an inherently homophobic religion.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

It amuses me that allowances can be made for cultures that would hang gays but no allowances can be made for white people being ugly homophobes.

Not wanting something to be bombed to death doesn't equal = allowance. If that is your view on "giving allowances" then I don't know what to say. I've literally just used two mostly-white, non-muslim countries as examples of countries that condemn my way or life yet I would still be against mass murder towards its civilians? Where have I given allowances to one culture but not another?

Many Islamic values, IMO, are gross, often sexist and homophobic. I've said this before.

As I've said before, you seem obsessed with trying to stir up hatred toward certain ethnicities, it's extremely disconcerting.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Over the last ten years Jewish graves have been desecrated, headstones smashed or daubed with swastikas. Jewish graves in the UK, London, Manchester, Kent, Belfast.... I mean... When this was mentioned before I remember being told by one of TiBB's gay community that it was probably just high spirits. So forgive me if I don't get bent out of shape over a bench being painted over nor spend any more time watching you go on a crusade to support an inherently homophobic religion.

Well obviously that's horrific vandalism. I don't think anyone cares whether you get bent out of shape over this particular incident, it's the continuous mention of Muslim people even when it's an unrelated topic. We don't know who did this, so why bring it up? You seem hell bent on stirring up racial hatred and sorry but it's ****ing gross.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Not wanting something to be bombed to death doesn't equal = allowance. If that is your view on "giving allowances" then I don't know what to say. I've literally just used two mostly-white, non-muslim countries as examples of countries that condemn my way or life yet I would still be against mass murder towards its civilians? Where have I given allowances to one culture but not another?

Many Islamic values, IMO, are gross, often sexist and homophobic. I've said this before.

As I've said before, you seem obsessed with trying to stir up hatred toward certain ethnicities, it's extremely disconcerting.

There's no talking to you critical thinkers.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

There's no talking to you critical thinkers.

Thanks, I guess.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Well obviously that's horrific vandalism. I don't think anyone cares whether you get bent out of shape over this particular incident, it's the continuous mention of Muslim people even when it's an unrelated topic. We don't know who did this, so why bring it up? You seem hell bent on stirring up racial hatred and sorry but it's ****ing gross.

Is there no chance that this bench was vandalised by people from a culture who think gays should be dead? It's much more comfortable for you to imagine it was a big old white homophobe who's responsible.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Is there no chance that this bench was vandalised by people from a culture who think gays should be dead? It's much more comfortable for you to imagine it was a big old white homophobe who's responsible.

Of course there is a chance, but in the same way I didn't mention they were probably white, I don't see why anyone needs to mention they are potential Muslim. I am saying that as we don't know the identity of the vandal, or the motivation behind it, why do we need to dwell on the race or ethnicity or religion of the person who did it?

You seem to think I am against any kind of criticism of ethnic minorities, despite me calling a religion many of them follow gross, multiple times.

Mentioning the issues of Islam is fine when it's related to the topic at hand. When it's not, when it's mentioned as a way to try and score points, it' comes across as racially motivated hatred.

Of course there is a chance it was done by someone who following Islam and hates gays and wanted to erase what they thought was a symbol of them. My question is, when it was done in a town where just 1.84% of the population is non-white, why did you mind go to "it must have been a Muslim" first?

[Kate!]

Livia didn't say or infer it must have been a muslim. Just that it was a possibility. She's so absolutely not showing any racially motivated hatred whatsoever, it's not in her nature. I know her very well.