[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...les_de_Menezes

never forget, what those amateur law enforcement did afterwards, this idiotic blunder mistaking this poor electrician from brazil as a possible terrorist

Yes, it was a tragedy
of Misidentification.
They were not amateur, Nicky.

They were moving fast.
Due to so many dead

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by bots

i don't know who these people are trying to kid. The country has never been more divided than it is currently

I couldn’t agree more.

[arista]

Evil Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30
Born in West Yorkshire.

[British terrorist. He was the oldest of the four
Islamist suicide bombers and believed to be the leader
responsible for the 7 July 2005 London bombings,
in which bombs were detonated on
three London Underground trains and
one bus in central London.
These suicide attacks killed 56 people, including the attackers,
and injured over 700.
Khan bombed the Edgware Road train, killing himself
and six other people.]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Sidique_Khan

[arista]

And Very Sadly in 2017

[The Manchester Arena attack,
was an Islamic terrorist suicide bombing
of Manchester Arena in Manchester,
England, on 22 May 2017, following a concert by
the American pop singer Ariana Grande.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing



Murdering 22 people

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bots

We are never safe from terrorism so it's an outright lie to say we are safer now

I agree with this.

I am willing to bet that we've had many near misses that could've ended in a similar way to 7/7 and the Manchester Attack.

But thankfully our Secret Service managed to put a stop to them I think.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bots

i don't know who these people are trying to kid. The country has never been more divided than it is currently

Agreed.

And tbf it's not just this country, people around the world are incredibly divided right now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

beggars belief

the guardian again

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

beggars belief

the guardian again

Tbf, the 7/7 Bombings were caused by Muslims.

9/11 was caused by Muslims.

The Manchester Arena attack was caused by Muslims.

And that's just three incidents that instantly came to my mind.

The Guardian Journalist can't act surprised that people in the west will be on the lookout for Islamic Terrorism more than any other group, because most of the Terrorist attacks in places like the UK, France, and USA are coming from Muslims.

Just like I'm sure that the Middle East as a Continent are on the lookout for the Americans trying to insidiously invade their culture, because they're more likely to do that to the Middle East than the rest of us.

Or how during a rape case, the main demographic being investigated will be men, because women are less likely to rape obviously.

The Guardian Journalist seriously can't be this oblivious towards common sense and basic logic, I refuse to accept it.

[bots]

20 years ago immediately after 7/7 we had armed police at every train station. Even my little station which is an hour out from london had armed police there. For the first couple of weeks after the event, any muslim carrying a shoulder bag was glared at. That is no exaggeration. So are muslims in a worst position now than they were then? No

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

beggars belief

the guardian again

Insulting, but quite typical of the Guardian.

Muslims have the freedom to march through our capital week in support of a foreign country. They're treated with kid gloves by the police who attend the marches in shirt sleeves, not the riot gear they'd wear if it was any other group. I'm tired of hearing how bad it is for Muslims in this country because despite that, they're still coming, every week, in their thousands.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, the 7/7 Bombings were caused by Muslims.

9/11 was caused by Muslims.

The Manchester Arena attack was caused by Muslims.

And that's just three incidents that instantly came to my mind.

The Guardian Journalist can't act surprised that people in the west will be on the lookout for Islamic Terrorism more than any other group, because most of the Terrorist attacks in places like the UK, France, and USA are coming from Muslims.

Just like I'm sure that the Middle East as a Continent are on the lookout for the Americans trying to insidiously invade their culture, because they're more likely to do that to the Middle East than the rest of us.

Or how during a rape case, the main demographic being investigated will be men, because women are less likely to rape obviously.

The Guardian Journalist seriously can't be this oblivious towards common sense and basic logic, I refuse to accept it.

the murder of Pim Fortuyn was caused by a deranged white dutch citizen (whom nowadays is a free man again, just served 5 years in jail which is ridiculous)


and those who tried to assassinate Trump also white US citizens, one of whom at the golf course, a 60+ dude


some examples of horrible actions committed by other people than Muslims



anyway fair enough Mock, but you have evil people no matter what race, religion

[Crimson Dynamo]

Certain "Muslim MP's" would do well to remember that being a Muslim is a choice and its based on an ideology, it is not immutable.

[Oliver_W]

Of course the Graun would use every islamic terror attack to talk about how muslims are the true victims...

[BBXX]

I think this article being put out on the anniversary is in poor taste, honestly.

This is complex issue - we should be able to critique Islam and call out its extremism, particularly as we are a country which (mostly) has such polarising values to those Islam teaches, but there is a distinct difference between hating the religion and hating those who follow it.

I think though where this arises is that Muslims - and to put it frankly people who look like they could be Muslim - have been subject to racial attacks despite being decent people. I know from friends that when incidents have happened involving someone who is Muslim, they've experienced racial hatred off the back of it - these are people who are Sikh, but because they're Indian racist people just lump them into a group. You saw it here just last summer with the anti-immigration protests - random people attacked for their skin colour because people assumed they were immigrants.

So while I sympathise with those who are victim to such attacks purely because they share a religion with someone who has committed a terrorist attack, I feel like putting out such an article on the anniversary is insensitive to the actual victims of the event, which are those who lost their lives and the families of those people.

I also think framing people who call out the atrocities caused by a religion as Islamophobic completely ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with hating a religion.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the murder of Pim Fortuyn was caused by a deranged white dutch citizen (whom nowadays is a free man again, just served 5 years in jail which is ridiculous)


and those who tried to assassinate Trump also white US citizens, one of whom at the golf course, a 60+ dude


some examples of horrible actions committed by other people than Muslims



anyway fair enough Mock, but you have evil people no matter what race, religion

I agree that there are evil people in every community, and that there are (tbf) terrorists in every community.

But my point being, is currently the UK and America for example are far more likely to face Islamic terrorism than any other form of terrorism, which unfortunately for the innocent Muslims does put them under a microscope too, because you can't expect people to be mind-readers.

Another example I could use is if I went to Japan and I started filming in public, I'm willing to bet that a lot of Japanese people are going to be suspicious that I'm going to be doing what Johnny Somali and a lot of non-Japanese people were doing when they were filming in public. Because that's common sense logic to jump to, even if it's completely wrong.

I do controversially say that if Muslims don't want to be suspected of terrorism, then they need to start addressing the ones that are committing terrorist attacks on the west.

It's the same for any of the negative stereotypes that develop in society.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I think this article being put out on the anniversary is in poor taste, honestly.

This is complex issue - we should be able to critique Islam and call out its extremism, particularly as we are a country which (mostly) has such polarising values to those Islam teaches, but there is a distinct difference between hating the religion and hating those who follow it.

I think though where this arises is that Muslims - and to put it frankly people who look like they could be Muslim - have been subject to racial attacks despite being decent people. I know from friends that when incidents have happened involving someone who is Muslim, they've experienced racial hatred off the back of it - these are people who are Sikh, but because they're Indian racist people just lump them into a group. You saw it here just last summer with the anti-immigration protests - random people attacked for their skin colour because people assumed they were immigrants.

So while I sympathise with those who are victim to such attacks purely because they share a religion with someone who has committed a terrorist attack, I feel like putting out such an article on the anniversary is insensitive to the actual victims of the event, which are those who lost their lives and the families of those people.

I also think framing people who call out the atrocities caused by a religion as Islamophobic completely ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with hating a religion.

I 100% agree with this tbh.

You've summed the situation up much better than I could.

[Crimson Dynamo]

‘Brutally murdered’ vs ‘lives lost’.

agenda ridden and quite disgusting

[Livia]

It always makes me smile when I see someone from Labour say how we must remain vigilant against hatred and division. They obviously don't mean vigilant from hate against the Jews, nor from anyone who disagrees with them politically. I remember Rayner's language when talking about the Tories, "Tory scum" as I recall, not long after Jo Cox was murdered and politicians were asked to use less aggressive language toward each other. Oh, and the "Hang A Tory" sign outside the Labour Party conference, not something you see outside Tory or Reform conferences. Also the fact that Labour get togethers always produce a fair few flags with Stalin on them, a man who killed more people than Hitler. Both Corbyn and John McDonnell, that pair of heroes, have read from Mao's Little Red Book in the House of Commons. The fact that Mao and his murderous regime killed between 40 and 80 million of his own people is quite beyond their comprehension. So she can stick her sentiments where the sun don't shine.

[Crimson Dynamo]