[Cherie]

A British female sailor has criticised a musical based on her life story after the cast members used their platform to stage a pro-trans fundraiser.

Tracy Edwards made history in 1989 when she captained the Maiden, leading the first all-female yacht crew in the Whitbread Round the World Race.

But she has criticised the musical based on the race, called Maiden Voyage, after cast members used a curtain call to fundraise for a charity that supports transgender inclusion in women’s sports on the night she attended.

Ms Edwards has been public with her opposition to the inclusion of transgender women – biological males – in women’s competitions and changing rooms.

They allegedly chose the night Ms Edwards was in the audience for the show, running at the Southwark Playhouse, to make a public plea for funds.

Footage from the night showed one performer urging the audience on Aug 12 to give to Pride Sports, the “LGBTIQ+ inclusion charity working to make sports a welcoming place for everyone”.

This charity publicly opposed moves to ban transgender women from female competitions, including the FA’s new rules barring trans players from women’s and girls’ football leagues.

Some members of the cast were said to be uncomfortable with Ms Edwards’ positions on women’s rights, sport and her opposition to gender ideology – the belief that self-identification rather than biological sex defines womanhood.

This led to some trouble behind the scenes in the days before a group of cast members made their on-stage appeal, and there were concerns about a potential protest or “nastiness”.

Ms Edwards said: “They had not done it before, or on other dates. It was for my benefit.”

She added: “They are in a little bubble, and I don’t think they think for themselves. They are not activists; they are sheep.

“The irony of spending 90 minutes singing and dancing in celebration of women fighting for their rights in sport, only to trample all over those rights at the end, is off the scale.”

Ms Edwards is concerned that, because it took place after a show about her life, her name has effectively been used to fundraise for a cause without her permission.

She had no official affiliation with the musical and played no part in its production, but was invited to advise on some factual points about her voyage, work she called “a favour”.

It is understood that producers have assured Ms Edwards that, should any future fundraising occur, all proceeds will be given to her charity, The Maiden Factor Foundation, which funds girls’ educational programmes around the world.

This also seeks to inspire young girls, in the spirit of the all-female Maiden voyage of 1989, which came second in its class overall. The voyage was encouraged by King Hussein I of Jordan, who had met Ms Edwards during a chance encounter on a yacht.

Heather Binning, the founder of the gender-critical Women’s Rights Network, said: “Tracy Edwards is an icon for women who proved her mettle in the male-dominated world of sailing with an all-woman crew, astonishing many, and celebrated by many more.

“To use and exploit that achievement is an insult to women everywhere, and particularly to Tracy herself.

“To try to score woke points by making a statement in support of a so-called ‘trans’ project is quite beyond belief.”

Representatives of the production have been contacted for comment.

[Cherie]

Is it just me, or maybe if these actors were uncomfortable they should not have been in the show and given up their place for someone else? cake and eat it comes to mind

The disrespect shown to Tracy is unforgivable

[BBXX]

People need to remember that In the UK, approximately 0.13% of the population identifies as transgender women.

The level of conversation around this demographic is completely disproportionate. If people stopped talking against them and got some perspective others wouldn't have to continue to speak up for them. Talk about obsessed.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

People need to remember that In the UK, approximately 0.13% of the population identifies as transgender women.

The level of conversation around this demographic is completely disproportionate. If people stopped talking against them and got some perspective others wouldn't have to continue to speak up for them. Talk about obsessed.

eh? why did the cast need to make such a gesture then, its trans activists that are obsessed

[Cherie]

I think this is the pertinent part of the report

Some members of the cast were said to be uncomfortable with Ms Edwards’ positions on women’s rights, sport and her opposition to gender ideology – the belief that self-identification rather than biological sex defines womanhood.

This led to some trouble behind the scenes in the days before a group of cast members made their on-stage appeal, and there were concerns about a potential protest or “nastiness”.

Ms Edwards said: “They had not done it before, or on other dates. It was for my benefit.”

She added: “They are in a little bubble, and I don’t think they think for themselves. They are not activists; they are sheep.


who would you say are obsessed in this case BBXX

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think this is the pertinent part of the report

Some members of the cast were said to be uncomfortable with Ms Edwards’ positions on women’s rights, sport and her opposition to gender ideology – the belief that self-identification rather than biological sex defines womanhood.

This led to some trouble behind the scenes in the days before a group of cast members made their on-stage appeal, and there were concerns about a potential protest or “nastiness”.

Ms Edwards said: “They had not done it before, or on other dates. It was for my benefit.”

She added: “They are in a little bubble, and I don’t think they think for themselves. They are not activists; they are sheep.


who would you say are obsessed in this case BBXX

If trans people weren’t constantly under attack, if their identity wasn’t constantly questioned, if their movements weren’t scrutiny to political debate then trans activists wouldn’t exist.

You contribute to the rhetoric that creates what you’re complaining about.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

If trans people weren’t constantly under attack, if their identity wasn’t constantly questioned, if their movements weren’t scrutiny to political debate then trans activists wouldn’t exist.

You contribute to the rhetoric that creates what you’re complaining about.

Well its certainly a view maybe we should just shut up and they wont erode our rights....great lets see how that goes for us

Interesting you quote figures...0.13% yet women were suggested to use disabled facilities to accommodate this percentage....

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well its certainly a view maybe we should just shut up and they wont erode our rights....great lets see how that goes for us

Interesting you quote figures...0.13% yet women were suggested to use disabled facilities to accommodate this percentage....

It’s would not be to accommodate that percentage, it would be to manage their own uncomfortability against a group of people who are no actual threat. It’s personal preservation based on personal opinion because other people should be allowed to exist.

The idea you think 0.13% could be responsible for the rights of 50.75% of the population being taken away is laughable. You’ve been fed lies and hyperbole and you’ve fallen for it. Sorry to tell you.

The actual rights of women are under threat by the same group of people who say the same things about trans people that you do. How you do not see it blows my mind, but in the fight against trans people you’ve aligned yourself with the very group that will - and in other western countries have - stripped women of ACTUAL human rights.

[BBXX]

And just incase the point is missed, the people who you mock for needing safe spaces against right-wing anti-abortion politicians; the middle-class white protestors supporting Palestine that are ridiculed, the trans activists you criticise, the gay men you accuse of hating women because they stick up for trans women… those very same groups of people will often be the same groups of people to walk alongside women in support of their rights and will largely be the same people who protest anti-abortion rhetoric or fight for women’s access to safe healthcare…

Because I tell you who it won’t be - it won’t be people who rally against trans people and it won’t be people who camp outside Migrant hotels with signs reading “protect are kids”, I promise you.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

People need to remember that In the UK, approximately 0.13% of the population identifies as transgender women.

The level of conversation around this demographic is completely disproportionate. If people stopped talking against them and got some perspective others wouldn't have to continue to speak up for them. Talk about obsessed.

I agree with some of what you're saying, in particular there are much bigger things going on in this world than Transgender stuff, but it seems to be the most popular topic alongside immigration.

However this crew are trying to encourage Transwomen to take part in women's Sports, which is wrong imo.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I agree with some of what you're saying, in particular there are much bigger things going on in this world than Transgender stuff, but it seems to be the most popular topic alongside immigration.

And that should raise alarm bells. The media and politicians have led people to believe the biggest risks to civilians are trans woman, who are around 0.13% of the population and illegal immigrants, who make up about 1% of the population.

They are two groups with little to no legislative or political power or influence, and yet they are the people who are a risk to our society - apparently. It’s called misdirection.

However this crew are trying to encourage Transwomen to take part in women's Sports, which is wrong imo.

A couple of questions - have you watched the clip of them asking for donations and have you researched what the charity in question does?

Campaigning for fairness for trans women in women’s sports is one part of the many things that charity does - another aspect for example is ensuring lesbians (women) feel safe, included and supported in sports clubs. They do this because less than half of lesbians feel sports clubs are a welcoming, inclusive place and therefore 2/3rds lesbians who want to be active are taking part in non-sports physical actively. Part of their campaigning is to change that. Sounds great for women, right?

The woman at the end speaking about the donations didn’t ever specifically mention trans people in women’s sports. Yet here we are, talking about trans people again because the media told us they’re a problem.

Did you know a documentary was going to be made about men entering women’s sports teams and the producers found it so difficult and didn’t find any men to go through the 3 years of medical treatments that instead they made it a piece of fiction.

If a thing people are complaining about has to be created as a work of fiction, how much of an issue actually is it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

women and girls are 50 % of the population

if we want to talk about misdirection

[Niamh.]

So basically it's ok for trans people to talk about their rights but women should just be quiet if we feel our rights are being affected because theres less trans women than women? Um no.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

And just incase the point is missed, the people who you mock for needing safe spaces against right-wing anti-abortion politicians; the middle-class white protestors supporting Palestine that are ridiculed, the trans activists you criticise, the gay men you accuse of hating women because they stick up for trans women… those very same groups of people will often be the same groups of people to walk alongside women in support of their rights and will largely be the same people who protest anti-abortion rhetoric or fight for women’s access to safe healthcare…

Because I tell you who it won’t be - it won’t be people who rally against trans people and it won’t be people who camp outside Migrant hotels with signs reading “protect are kids”, I promise you.

I dont agree those people are sticking up for anything, all they are out protesting for is anything they think is a right wing stand point. They don't give 2 shades of **** about the things they protest about, like Gaza, and the migrants.

To say nobody at these anti immigration rallies would stand along side women to fight for their rights is ridicous considering a fair number of them are women themselves.

Some of these trans are pathetic, I saw one attack that bloke who has the placard on with a pair of scissors, simply because they couldn't handle his view point and opinion about trans women in women's sport.

Had to laugh, she/He is ranting away at him before lunging at him. She/He was with his sister at the time, trying to make this massive point as the sister kept calling the trans women her brother.


Honestly, they are dangerous lunatics most of them, especially the activists. They cant even go to punk festivals without attacking innocent members of the public simply for having a flag of his nation.


The modern day anarchists. Useless,pathetic dangerous and thick as ****.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So basically it's ok for trans people to talk about their rights but women should just be quiet if we feel our rights are being affected because theres less trans women than women? Um no.

Um no. Trans women aren't a threat to your rights, you're just being told they are and you're believing it. You're being told they are by the people who are actually a threat to women's rights.

You know, the same sort of rhetoric around trans people used to be about gay people, and black people and women.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

women and girls are 50 % of the population

if we want to talk about misdirection

People make a point.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

To say nobody at these anti immigration rallies would stand along side women to fight for their rights is ridicous considering a fair number of them are women themselves.

I said walking alongside women.

Some of these trans are pathetic, I saw one attack that bloke who has the placard on with a pair of scissors, simply because they couldn't handle his view point and opinion about trans women in women's sport.

Had to laugh, she is ranting away at him before lunging at him. She was with her sister at the time, trying to make this massive point as the sister kept calling the trans women her brother.

Honestly, they are dangerous lunatics most of them, especially the activists. They cant even go to punk festivals without attacking innocent members of the public simply for having a flag of his nation.

Yes, as I've said before extremists exist in all demographics.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I said walking alongside women.



Yes, as I've said before extremists exist in all demographics.

It was a borther and sister out shopping, hardly extremists.


Quick question, something that's always confused me. They keep shouting trans right....my question is, what rights do I have that they don't?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

It was a borther and sister out shopping, hardly extremists.

Eh? Extremism is decided by how they act, behave and respond to situations. Extremists are also allowed to go shopping

Quick question, something that's always confused me. They keep shouting trans right....my question is, what rights do I have that they don't?

When we talk about gay rights, trans rights and women's rights we are by and large talking about social rights (in the UK) rather than legal rights. There are plenty of social rights that straight men have that women don't, gay people don't and trans people don't.

If someone's identity if up for political debate, there is always a risk of certain rights being removed. Gay peoples identity is seen as political. Women's identities are often seen as political. The identity of trans people is seen as political.

Having politicians discuss what rights you should and shouldn't have based on characteristics you have no control creates a continuous threat. Rights can move back and forth, as they have done in other Western countries and therefore there always needs to be a fight. At the point those identities stopped being a talking point, stopped being political and stopped being up for debate in the same way it is for being straight or being a man, then perhaps we can stop talking about "xxxxx rights".

Moreover, when we talk about 'rights' we don't just mean here. We mean around the World. 70 countries criminalise people for being trans. 64 countries criminalise people for being gay. Sometimes by death. It's part of a larger conversation.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

When we talk about gay rights, trans rights and women's rights we are by and large talking about social rights (in the UK) rather than legal rights. There are plenty of social rights that straight men have that women don't, gay people don't and trans people don't.


Moreover, when we talk about 'rights' we don't just mean here. We mean around the World. 70 countries criminalise people for being trans. 64 countries criminalise people for being gay. Sometimes by death. It's part of a larger conversation.

What social rights are these then that a straight white male has over a gay male or women or anyone trans, cause all i'm seeing is people not trans or gay being cancelled at things like the Edinburgh fringe, or perhaps for something said on tv or radio..



The next paragraph..again I don't think they give two ***** about anyone in any other country, if they did their placards and banners and chants would reflect that, but they don't.. surely they would be protesting outside the embassies of those nation's, and not outside hotels in support of them housing people from those nations.


Gay, trans, women are all further protected by hate speech laws..can you honestly say a straight white male is afforded the same protection from these laws?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Um no. Trans women aren't a threat to your rights, you're just being told they are and you're believing it. You're being told they are by the people who are actually a threat to women's rights.

You know, the same sort of rhetoric around trans people used to be about gay people, and black people and women.

Er no there is evidence of rapists transwomen being put in womens prisons

There is evidence of transwomen going into gyms and exposing themselves

There is evidence of transwomen heading up Rape Crisis Centres

There is evidence of transwomen cheating in womens sports

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Er no there is evidence of rapists transwomen being put in womens prisons

There is evidence of transwomen going into gyms and exposing themselves

There is evidence of transwomen heading up Rape Crisis Centres

There is evidence of transwomen cheating in womens sports

Not enough though. We should just ignore those ones. Womens rights are unaffected when given to all. Shut up bigot

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Um no. Trans women aren't a threat to your rights, you're just being told they are and you're believing it. You're being told they are by the people who are actually a threat to women's rights.



You know, the same sort of rhetoric around trans people used to be about gay people, and black people and women.

Black people and gay people never interfered with other people's rights though. You're an advocate for "trans rights" yet you have even admitted preceived trans rights sometimes interfered with women's rights. I have my own mind by the way no one is telling me what to think

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

What social rights are these then that a straight white male has over a gay male or women or anyone trans, cause all i'm seeing is people not trans or gay being cancelled at things like the Edinburgh fringe, or perhaps for something said on tv or radio..

From just a gay perspective:

• Straight couples aren't scared of holding hands in public for fear of being attacked.
• There is no conversion therapy for stopping straight people being straight.
• Heterosexual couples/people can be represented in media without in being called "woke"
• Heterosexual people can be hired without it being looked at as a diversity hire.
• Heterosexual sex education and safety is taught widely without issue.
• Heterosexual people aren't shunned from family for being straight.

You're also missing a really crucial point - gay people only have equal laws and certain protections because of talking about rights.

You have to remember that a lot of this progress is actually relatively recent. We've only been allowed to join the army since 2000. Marriage for gay people in UK has only been legal for just over a decade and in N. Ireland for half that time. Sexually active gay people could only start donating blood in 2020 because of discriminatory rules for crying out loud.

Progress has happened, but progress can also be temporary and reversed, and therefore until the point we are confident it is neither, people will continue to rally it.

Think of it this way... you work full time in a factory and in the past due to lack of safety regulations, that factory has a history of burning down, killing some of your colleagues. New owners come on board and the subject of safety measures come up and you make sure they know that the new safety measures have prevent fires and prevented deaths. This happens every four years and the subject of the safety measures is an ongoing topic throughout and so you keep on talking about it because it seems it's always up for discussion. Particularly because the owners are friends with other factory's owners elsewhere who have actually reduced safety measures and they're advocating for them to do the same otherwise they might put your prices up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2733806.html

Gay, trans, women are all further protected by hate speech laws..can you honestly say a straight white male is afforded the same protection from these laws?

Hate crime laws protect against sexuality and gender.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Er no there is evidence of rapists transwomen being put in womens prisons

There is evidence of transwomen going into gyms and exposing themselves

There is evidence of transwomen heading up Rape Crisis Centres

There is evidence of transwomen cheating in womens sports

There is evidence of women killing men, but if I spent my time pretending the biggest threat to men's safety was women, people would rightly have something to say.