[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

If you say so.

Well you insinuated that my views are wrong when they are simply my views as I explained

It sounds like the problem maybe your stance on things


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

If you say so.

Being passive-aggressive is not conducive to discussion

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yep. I know we all have different life-experiences and perspectives but the line’s got to be drawn at blatant homophobia being celebrated. Some people still get irritated at the sight of two gay men kissing (and funny-enough it’s often men they’ve got the problem with doing it, not women, because ‘lesbians are sexy’) but the calls to Ofcom have been gradually fazed down over the years, thank God for that.

I can't argue against the BIB tbh.

And the only bit of censorship that I've always supported from mainstream entertainment is that there has to be some level of morality in the work.

Even Shows like Dexter for example have some basic level of morality.

Because yes, having Homophobia being celebrated as a good thing would be wrong imo, I 100% agree with you on that.

Controversially I wouldn't mind a Show being a bit more three dimensional depiction of a Homophobic person, where they're Homophobic (and it pointed out as a character flaw,) but they also have some good in them as well.

Basically showcasing that even the most prejudiced of people aren't pure evil, actual good writing rather than the Hillbillies that we always seem to get.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I can't argue against the BIB tbh.

And the only bit of censorship that I've always supported from mainstream entertainment is that there has to be some level of morality in the work.

Even Shows like Dexter for example have some basic level of morality.

Because yes, having Homophobia being celebrated as a good thing would be wrong imo, I 100% agree with you on that.

Controversially I wouldn't mind a Show being a bit more three dimensional depiction of a Homophobic person, where they're Homophobic (and it pointed out as a character flaw,) but they also have some good in them as well.

Basically showcasing that even the most prejudiced of people aren't pure evil, actual good writing rather than the Hillbillies that we always seem to get.

Some of the best people across the world are thoroughly homophobic. Religion and culture play into that. I might want to challenge their opinions but yeah. Yeah. That doesn’t stop them being very good people overall. It’s never about that, unless it’s actually not a good person. It’s just that Britain’s come a long way in terms of LGBT-acceptance over the last 30-40 years. To renege on that within that specific context just wouldn’t work.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Some of the best people across the world are thoroughly homophobic. Religion and culture play into that. I might want to challenge their opinions but yeah. Yeah. That doesn’t stop them being very good people overall. It’s never about that, unless it’s actually not a good person. It’s just that Britain’s come a long way in terms of LGBT-acceptance over the last 30-40 years. To renege on that within that specific context just wouldn’t work.

This country seems to definitely be struggling more on racial issues at the moment.

I don't know if you saw the Football tonight where a Bournemouth player got racially abused?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

This country seems to definitely be struggling more on racial issues at the moment.

I don't know if you saw the Football tonight where a Bournemouth player got racially abused?

I did see the footie, yeah. Vile stuff. The worst thing is there are many people out there who’d actually defend it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

I did see the footie, yeah. Vile stuff. The worst thing is there are many people out there who’d actually defend it.

I really don't understand that though.

It would be like going to a Music concert and start abusing the singer performing, nobody would stand for it.

So I don't understand why some people think that it's okay to be abusive towards a Footballer during the match?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I really don't understand that though.

It would be like going to a Music concert and start abusing the singer performing, nobody would stand for it.

So I don't understand why some people think that it's okay to be abusive towards a Footballer during the match?

Unfortunately, we live in a world full of bait and so many racist idiots. That’s why I wanted people to listen to that video from Anyika Onuora (someone whose family I have a close association with, even-though I’m only really close to her younger sister). Some of her half-brothers are football players, her full bro. was a basketball player back in the day. So it’s a family full of various sporting abilities, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re black. I imagine most of them have negative stories to tell about how white people have vilified and disrespected them along the way but Anyika’s opinions and experiences about the whole thing are more accessible. Besides her book (and corresponding audio-book to boot), she’s spoken about this in so many podcasts and the rest, the misogyny and racism she had to face in her athletic career and just personal life. It’s a side of life that many white people just haven’t had to reckon with, ever, so whenever someone speaks about their experiences and what they mean for them, it can sometimes get dismissed as being “out there”, or they’re gaslighted into thinking that they’re just sensitive over-thinkers who need to shut up and learn to just get on with it. But that’s not how it works when someone’s been abused time and time again throughout their life. That’s trauma, and it does deserve an outlet, even if not everyone fully understands or wants to. (None of that’s directed at you in-particular, by the way; I’m just speaking in general terms.)

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Unfortunately, we live in a world full of bait and so many racist idiots. That’s why I wanted people to listen to that video from Anyika Onuora (someone whose family I have a close association with, even-though I’m only really close to her younger sister). Some of her half-brothers are football players, her full bro. was a basketball player back in the day. So it’s a family full of various sporting abilities, but the one thing they have in common is that they’re black. I imagine most of them have negative stories to tell about how white people have vilified and disrespected them along the way but Anyika’s opinions and experiences about the whole thing are more accessible. Besides her book (and corresponding audio-book to boot), she’s spoken about this in so many podcasts and the rest, the misogyny and racism she had to face in her athletic career and just personal life. It’s a side of life that many white people just haven’t had to reckon with, ever, so whenever someone speaks about their experiences and what they mean for them, it can sometimes get dismissed as being “out there”, or they’re gaslighted into thinking that they’re just sensitive over-thinkers who need to shut up and learn to just get on with it. But that’s not how it works when someone’s been abused time and time again throughout their life. That’s trauma, and it does deserve an outlet, even if not everyone fully understands or wants to. (None of that’s directed at you in-particular, by the way; I’m just speaking in general terms.)

I understand what you mean.

I think that as a society we need to have an honest discussion with some of these racists, and try to get them to understand why it's wrong to hold such horrible views.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I understand what you mean.

I think that as a society we need to have an honest discussion with some of these racists, and try to get them to understand why it's wrong to hold such horrible views.

Sometimes it’s like trying to get water out of a rock. Some people will never understand, and don’t even want to.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Sometimes it’s like trying to get water out of a rock. Some people will never understand, and don’t even want to.

That's probably true tbf.

I just love debating people if I'm to be completely honest, especially in cases like this where I just find it fascinating how people develop mindsets like racism, homophobia, misogyny etc.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's probably true tbf.

I just love debating people if I'm to be completely honest, especially in cases like this where I just find it fascinating how people develop mindsets like racism, homophobia, misogyny etc.

People in life will project what they want to project onto you, even if they have very outdated or maybe never even really in-date leverage against you, and that’s why it’s so crucial to call out and dismantle those projections when they’re rooted in racism. Because when someone tries to pin old, false or harmful narratives onto you and refuse to let it drop, narratives that reduce you to a stereotype (e.g., young black males being inherently disposed to violence) or a single story, they’re not just misrepresenting you, are they, really? They’re feeding a system that thrives on keeping people divided and unequal. Letting that slide, or pretending it’s harmless, is what allows those attitudes to persist. So yeah. It’s very important to be on the stamp-out, even if and when you’re surrounded by racial bait; whether that’s as a white person, a person of colour or anyone in-between. And that’s something that starts closer to home than a lot of people realise. Every single one of us (even if we’re of colour or ‘racially ambiguous’) is capable of having unchecked biases, however innocent and non-hypocritical we think we are. It might not be intentional or malicious but nobody’s perfect. It’s a personal journey, though. People who’ve decided they’re against you or your cause can call you whatever names they like along the way but all that white noise shouldn’t matter as long as you’re trying to be a good person and examine yourself every once in a while.

I think with me my own personal journey is analogous to that in some ways. I never go into detail about the ins and outs of it all on places like this, because it’s personal, but let’s just say I’ve been caught in the middle between various ethnicities and cultures, and I’ve seen how tensions can play out from person to person in very intimate ways over the years, so I know, and being firm about your boundaries when people seek out to intentionally bait and misrepresent you, whether it’s based on the colour of your skin, some other extraneous variable or they just don’t like you (or they don’t like who they think you are, whether that’s a realistic picture of you or not) isn’t something I play with. If that makes me seem abrasive to some, so be it, innit. It’s important for people of all races to tap into that self-preservation and know that your inherent value, worth and interpersonal positivity isn’t dictated by what some stranger thinks, whether they tell you to your face that you’re any number of racially-fuelled insults they want to hurl at you, or trying to attention-seekingly bait you and make it clear that they don’t like you for whatever reason. Whether they’ve got the guts to tell you that to your face (and it doesn’t take much guts; it’s not a sign of courage to be revered) or not, whether they do or they don’t, is irrelevant and neither here nor there as far as your internal compass and value as a person are concerned. But that doesn’t mean that conversations shouldn’t still be had about people’s biases and so-on. It’s just about balancing whatever rationalisations they bring to the table with the self-knowledge that you have tremendous worth and value as an individual, and someone somewhere is going to appreciate that about you.

TLDR: I’m basically just saying that it’s important never to lose sight of who you truly are and what you bring to the table, even if opening the can of worms about where some people’s biases (some founded, some - like racial ones - absolutely not) come from can make you internalise a lot of hatred that has nothing to do with you as you truly are. Your value as a person isn’t hinging on whether a stranger likes you or not.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

People in life will project what they want to project onto you, even if they have very outdated or maybe never even really in-date leverage against you, and that’s why it’s so crucial to call out and dismantle those projections when they’re rooted in racism. Because when someone tries to pin old, false or harmful narratives onto you and refuse to let it drop, narratives that reduce you to a stereotype (e.g., young black males being inherently disposed to violence) or a single story, they’re not just misrepresenting you, are they, really? They’re feeding a system that thrives on keeping people divided and unequal. Letting that slide, or pretending it’s harmless, is what allows those attitudes to persist. So yeah. It’s very important to be on the stamp-out, even if and when you’re surrounded by racial bait; whether that’s as a white person, a person of colour or anyone in-between. And that’s something that starts closer to home than a lot of people realise. Every single one of us (even if we’re of colour or ‘racially ambiguous’) is capable of having unchecked biases, however innocent and non-hypocritical we think we are. It might not be intentional or malicious but nobody’s perfect. It’s a personal journey, though. People who’ve decided they’re against you or your cause can call you whatever names they like along the way but all that white noise shouldn’t matter as long as you’re trying to be a good person and examine yourself every once in a while.

I think with me my own personal journey is analogous to that in some ways. I never go into detail about the ins and outs of it all on places like this, because it’s personal, but let’s just say I’ve been caught in the middle between various ethnicities and cultures, and I’ve seen how tensions can play out from person to person in very intimate ways over the years, so I know, and being firm about your boundaries when people seek out to intentionally bait and misrepresent you, whether it’s based on the colour of your skin, some other extraneous variable or they just don’t like you (or they don’t like who they think you are, whether that’s a realistic picture of you or not) isn’t something I play with. If that makes me seem abrasive to some, so be it, innit. It’s important for people of all races to tap into that self-preservation and know that your inherent value, worth and interpersonal positivity isn’t dictated by what some stranger thinks, whether they tell you to your face that you’re any number of racially-fuelled insults they want to hurl at you, or trying to attention-seekingly bait you and make it clear that they don’t like you for whatever reason. Whether they’ve got the guts to tell you that to your face (and it doesn’t take much guts; it’s not a sign of courage to be revered) or not, whether they do or they don’t, is irrelevant and neither here nor there as far as your internal compass and value as a person are concerned. But that doesn’t mean that conversations shouldn’t still be had about people’s biases and so-on. It’s just about balancing whatever rationalisations they bring to the table with the self-knowledge that you have tremendous worth and value as an individual, and someone somewhere is going to appreciate that about you.

TLDR: I’m basically just saying that it’s important never to lose sight of who you truly are and what you bring to the table, even if opening the can of worms about where some people’s biases (some founded, some - like racial ones - absolutely not) come from can make you internalise a lot of hatred that has nothing to do with you as you truly are.

I get where you're coming from.

I definitely try everyday to not lose sight of myself, only time will tell if I've succeeded.

[Mystic Mock]

I wonder why PETA have decided to take up Comedy?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...d=BingNewsSerp

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get where you're coming from.

I definitely try everyday to not lose sight of myself, only time will tell if I've succeeded.

You’re on the right track, buddy. Just keep moving and pushing through.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

Sometimes it’s like trying to get water out of a rock. Some people will never understand, and don’t even want to.

Pretty much all fresh water comes from rock

[Beso]

You don't see many people with blonde hair walking about the streets these days.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Beso

You don't see many people with blonde hair walking about the streets these days.

Really … guess a lot have moved to platinum ..


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[Zizu]

Sooo the chairman of the FA is a woman and the chairman of the premier league is a woman …


That explains an awful lot …


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Sooo the chairman of the FA is a woman and the chairman of the premier league is a woman …


That explains an awful lot …


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Erm.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Sooo the chairman of the FA is a woman

That explains an awful lot …


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"Debbie’s executive career was spent at RAC plc where she was group managing
director and prior to that she was in retail management with Marks & Spencer."


cough - dei

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

"Debbie’s executive career was spent at RAC plc where she was group managing
director and prior to that she was in retail management with Marks & Spencer."


cough - dei

That gobby woman off the Apprentice was the guest for an hour on TalkSport this morning..

She proudly explained how she had helped and enabled countless numbers of women to get jobs in all sectors of football to balance the numbers .. no mention of the best person for the job/s just as long as they were female ( men’s football - she didn’t even mention women’s football !)


No wonder our beautiful game is going to the dogs .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

That gobby woman off the Apprentice was the guest for an hour on TalkSport this morning..

She proudly explained how she had helped and enabled countless numbers of women to get jobs in all sectors of football to balance the numbers .. no mention of the best person for the job/s just as long as they were female ( men’s football - she didn’t even mention women’s football !)


No wonder our beautiful game is going to the dogs .


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I had the misfortune to listen to some of the garbage she spouts too. She knows the square root of FA about football

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

I had the misfortune to listen to some of the garbage she spouts too. She knows the square root of FA about football

Baroness … yet she happily worked alongside two owners of sex companies working in the porn industry for ages


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[Zizu]

https://x.com/therealmrbench/status/...148350289?s=46


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