[BBXX]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You don’t really know what you are talking about
They are letting rapist’s off if they agree to say sorry to their victims
The amount of nfa ‘s are through the roof

And nowhere did I say that was good, fair and just, but that doesn’t mean she is innocent.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by BBXX

And nowhere did I say that was good, fair and just, but that doesn’t mean she is innocent.

She is guilty of saying something nasty but the punishment didn’t match the crime

The fact that they were basically told plead guilty or you will get an even bigger sentence was so very wrong

You seem like an intelligent guy, there must be a point in which you concede that these sentences were not lawful because they didn’t use the guidelines when it came to sentencing

The government didn’t use bullets but sentences to stop any further unlawful activity by going for maximum imprisonment

[Ammi]

…I do find this a very complex case with many factors to consider and one of those factors is the speed of it all…but that also seems to be her legal advisement that was at fault …

…this is the court transcript of Lucy’s appeal in May, I’m sure the original trial/sentencing one is available also but I’ll post the appeal one, which also refers back to the details that were considered in the original sentencing…

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/...v-The-King.pdf


….anyway, one of the things that stands out for me is that it was said in court that, with her own experience and loss and grief…anything Lucy said or did didn’t show empathy for the parents of the Southport victims but rather, what she displayed was anger/hatred and was very specifically aimed in terms of race …I get that completely and ‘online incitement and misinformation’ at that time was a huge problem…surely though, one of the PTSD displays can be extreme anger/not an empathy but a rage and that rage could be directed and guided by environmental factors of other rage/emotions at the time that were being displayed …what Lucy said was awful and it wasn’t just one tweet from what’s in the transcript…and now she’s been ‘punished’ and served her full time in losing the appeal for an earlier release…so what now…?…surely the PTSD trauma is still there and hasn’t been addressed and with that, so the anger/rage will or could be still there also…wouldn’t it have been better to address that ‘cause’ because maybe she has never had the help needed to do that…I mean obviously I don’t know any factors other than what we know with the publicity of the case but it does feel that she was and probably still is a lady in crisis and that anger and grief in losing a child, will still be there…it does concern me as well, the strain on her mental health in ‘becoming a poster girl’ …no ‘team’ or ‘side’ or whatever seem to be considering her well-being before anything else…and it feels as though she still has a long journey to go in her possible PTSD….

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Illegal immigrants have more rights than brtish citizens now and this is exactly why people are protesting.
They have priority on housing, live in luxury hotels, free allowance and free access to anythin they need.
Not to mention various discounts.
We don't get any of that, also we pay for things like dental and medicines.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You seem like an intelligent guy, there must be a point in which you concede that these sentences were not lawful because they didn’t use the guidelines when it came to sentencing

I don't believe all laws are equal and all laws are just and some punishments do not fit the crime. Do I think writing something racist on social media should be punishable by prison time... hmm, I don't think so. Do I think inciting violence against a particular group should be? Partially, yes.

I think we also need to consider the context and time. I'm not saying Lucy is to blame for what took place, but in the days following her tweet, there were anti-migrant protests, fuelled by the notion a despicable act was acted out by a migrant (because he was black). POC were being verbally and physically assaulted in the street because they were being racially profiled - people who had lived here all their lives. This was being fuelled by racist rhetoric - POC being racially profiled as migrants, attacked for it, for a crime a British-born person did. None of that is rational or rooted in truth, objectivity or anything other than racist hatred.

Her very public incitement of violence is a a prime example of the blind racial hatred that is prevalent in this country, and her rushing to the right wing media for them to make a martyr out of her shows me everything I need to know.

Do you honestly think if a Muslim man had said what she's said about white they'd be made to be a victim of injustice by the likes of Dan Wooton or The Telegraph? I think it would be incredibly naive to think they would.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I don't believe all laws are equal and all laws are just and some punishments do not fit the crime. Do I think writing something racist on social media should be punishable by prison time... hmm, I don't think so. Do I think inciting violence against a particular group should be? Partially, yes.

I think we also need to consider the context and time. I'm not saying Lucy is to blame for what took place, but in the days following her tweet, there were anti-migrant protests, fuelled by the notion a despicable act was acted out by a migrant (because he was black). POC were being verbally and physically assaulted in the street because they were being racially profiled - people who had lived here all their lives. This was being fuelled by racist rhetoric - POC being racially profiled as migrants, attacked for it, for a crime a British-born person did. None of that is rational or rooted in truth, objectivity or anything other than racist hatred.

Her very public incitement of violence is a a prime example of the blind racial hatred that is prevalent in this country, and her rushing to the right wing media for them to make a martyr out of her shows me everything I need to know.

Do you honestly think if a Muslim man had said what she's said about white they'd be made to be a victim of injustice by the likes of Dan Wooton or The Telegraph? I think it would be incredibly naive to think they would.

Very strong post and points there.
Well said in fact.
I agree with just about all you've outlined.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I don't believe all laws are equal and all laws are just and some punishments do not fit the crime. Do I think writing something racist on social media should be punishable by prison time... hmm, I don't think so. Do I think inciting violence against a particular group should be? Partially, yes.

I think we also need to consider the context and time. I'm not saying Lucy is to blame for what took place, but in the days following her tweet, there were anti-migrant protests, fuelled by the notion a despicable act was acted out by a migrant (because he was black). POC were being verbally and physically assaulted in the street because they were being racially profiled - people who had lived here all their lives. This was being fuelled by racist rhetoric - POC being racially profiled as migrants, attacked for it, for a crime a British-born person did. None of that is rational or rooted in truth, objectivity or anything other than racist hatred.

Her very public incitement of violence is a a prime example of the blind racial hatred that is prevalent in this country, and her rushing to the right wing media for them to make a martyr out of her shows me everything I need to know.

Do you honestly think if a Muslim man had said what she's said about white they'd be made to be a victim of injustice by the likes of Dan Wooton or The Telegraph? I think it would be incredibly naive to think they would.

Open your eyes this country isn’t racist you can see that clearly by how many mixed races couples there are walking round

In the uk we are very tolerant and willing to embrace others what we don’t like is people telling us we need to keep letting young fit men in this country and spoon feed them while every decent hard working person young and old is be failed again and again

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Open your eyes this country isn’t racist you can see that clearly by how many mixed races couples there are walking round

"Misogyny doesn't exist, look how many men have girlfriends and wives!"

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by BBXX

"Misogyny doesn't exist, look how many men have girlfriends and wives!"

Look how many’ men want to marry nine year olds who what background they are from
Look who are in and running rape gangs of young white girls

I can’t entertain people like you , honestly
And if there is a war you won’t be defending anyone but hiding in a dark room waiting until it’s safe for you to come out again and talk bollox

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Look how many’ men want to marry nine year olds who what background they are from
Look who are in and running rape gangs of young white girls

Using extremist examples to tarnish entires groups of people is racist behaviour which is ironic considering you just said this country wasn't racist.

The call is coming from inside the house, pal.