[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Maru

If it's country wide, then yes. That's banning speech. A govt building doesn't have personal rights.

People hanging the Union Jack on a lamppost they don’t own or maintain being taken down is not banning flags though. People are free to fly them in on their own property.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

People hanging the Union Jack on a lamppost they don’t own or maintain being taken down is not banning flags though. People are free to fly them in on their own property.

Yes, generally speaking, it's against the law to deface private property that isn't our own, whatever it is defaced it with. Would be no different if it were custom signage. It wouldn't lead to penalties if it were undamaged property and were easily removed. That's fine. Still, that line should be carefully toed when it's involving public sentiments regarding the govt (that's more local policy than law). I don't see the issue if they removed all flags for a time while tensions were high, though. It's cheaper than having to board up a building. Something we're apt to do when certain groups are planned to protest (But if you have to remove your own national flag, that's pretty dismal)

The impression we're being given in the US was that the govt were increasingly leaning towards banning all displays of the flag in many settings to limit tensions, not just from lamp posts and that I would wholeheartedly disagree with for the obvious. The algorithms and basic internet searches are doing a horrific job of explaining exactly how and where played out which is why I check here, but for most Americans banning our national flag in any capacity (culturally) is literally unthinkable. So it's creating more interest in what is happening in the UK than is normal and not in a good way.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Maru

The impression we're being given in the US was that the govt were increasingly leaning towards banning all displays of the flag in many settings to limit tensions, not just from lamp posts and that I would wholeheartedly disagree with for the obvious. The algorithms and basic internet searches are doing a horrific job of explaining exactly how and where played out which is why I check here, but for most Americans banning our national flag in any capacity (culturally) is literally unthinkable. So it's creating more interest in what is happening in the UK than is normal and not in a good way.

That's a false impression. Some local councils have asked residents not to put up flags on street lamps because of safety - if Bob falls while erecting it, or if he does a rubbish job and it falls on a car, blocking their vision and causing an accident, or a pedestrian at the side of a road. But really, nothing much is happening. I drove through a small town yesterday and the high street was laced with the Union flag on either side for the full stretch of the street. Moreover, a Google search shows people are more than welcome to fly flags on their own property:

Flags are a very British way of expressing joy and pride – they are emotive symbols which can boost local and national identities, strengthen community cohesion and mark civic pride.

The government wants to see more flags flown, particularly the Union Flag, the flag of the United Kingdom. It is a symbol of national unity and pride. The government has recently issued guidance encouraging the flying of the Union Flag on all UK government buildings throughout the year, alongside other national and local flags.

We are keen for local authorities and other local organisations to follow suit. We have made it easier for the Union Flag to be flown alongside other flags, so organisations can highlight their local identities, as well as their national identities, and celebrate special days or events which champion civic pride.

In England, the flying of flags is treated as advertisements for the purposes of the planning regime to ensure the flags do not impact on safety or amenity. Some flags require formal consent (permission) from the local planning authority, whereas others like the Union Flag do not - GOV.uk

But I think you also have to consider context. Currently there is Project 'Raise the Colour' (ironically the same people are definitely against rainbow flags being raised, the most colourful of all ). Project raise the Colours is not doing done because of country pride, regardless of what others pretend. It's being done to cause discomfort and 'remind' people we are Great Britain.

In a time when we have NHS workers attacked in parks, when people are emboldened to salute like a nazi, when far-right Reform, a party whose whole schtick is deporting migrants and nothing else are leading the polls, when we're given daily small-boat crossing numbers like they are Covid deaths, when 2/5ths of those arrested last summer for violent anti-migrant rioting have a history of domestic abuse and when 7 in all 10 hate crimes are racially motivated, anyone with an announce of emotional or logical intelligence can see the intention behind why flags are being raised and why when it is an instigator for division and, therefore, best not done.

Ironically weaponising your country's flag to incite hate, cause discomfort and utilise as a symbol to drive division is probably the most unpatriotic thing a person can do.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

That's a false impression. Some local councils have asked residents not to put up flags on street lamps because of safety - if Bob falls while erecting it, or if he does a rubbish job and it falls on a car, blocking their vision and causing an accident, or a pedestrian at the side of a road. But really, nothing much is happening. I drove through a small town yesterday and the high street was laced with the Union flag on either side for the full stretch of the street. Moreover, a Google search shows people are more than welcome to fly flags on their own property:

Spoiler:

Flags are a very British way of expressing joy and pride – they are emotive symbols which can boost local and national identities, strengthen community cohesion and mark civic pride.

The government wants to see more flags flown, particularly the Union Flag, the flag of the United Kingdom. It is a symbol of national unity and pride. The government has recently issued guidance encouraging the flying of the Union Flag on all UK government buildings throughout the year, alongside other national and local flags.

We are keen for local authorities and other local organisations to follow suit. We have made it easier for the Union Flag to be flown alongside other flags, so organisations can highlight their local identities, as well as their national identities, and celebrate special days or events which champion civic pride.

In England, the flying of flags is treated as advertisements for the purposes of the planning regime to ensure the flags do not impact on safety or amenity. Some flags require formal consent (permission) from the local planning authority, whereas others like the Union Flag do not - GOV.uk

But I think you also have to consider context. Currently there is Project 'Raise the Colour' (ironically the same people are definitely against rainbow flags being raised, the most colourful of all ). Project raise the Colours is not doing done because of country pride, regardless of what others pretend. It's being done to cause discomfort and 'remind' people we are Great Britain.

In a time when we have NHS workers attacked in parks, when people are emboldened to salute like a nazi, when far-right Reform, a party whose whole schtick is deporting migrants and nothing else are leading the polls, when we're given daily small-boat crossing numbers like they are Covid deaths, when 2/5ths of those arrested last summer for violent anti-migrant rioting have a history of domestic abuse and when 7 in all 10 hate crimes are racially motivated, anyone with an announce of emotional or logical intelligence can see the intention behind why flags are being raised and why when it is an instigator for division and, therefore, best not done.

Ironically weaponising your country's flag to incite hate, cause discomfort and utilise as a symbol to drive division is probably the most unpatriotic thing a person can do.

Thanks. I can't give a better reply atm because I am on mobile. Creating a spoiler using curved glass with dialogs covering up controls undoing highlights was exciting enough this morning.

I look at the totality of searches, not single pages and much of it looked overall just general.

In the US if it were decided to censor the flag in any way, no matter how petty or minor, no joke... factories and stands would open up overnight to serve the insane demand when people decide to retaliate and post them up everywhere. (Of course we fight back with Capitalism)

The flag is a symbol of anti-tyranny just as much as it is a symbol of national pride. The UK feels like our little brother (even though we originated from there) so even though it is not our country, we care about our own mutual destinies. So even if it may just be a few events of people from being kicked out of areas for displaying them it really wouldn't sit well where the govt suddenly gets the notion to be touchy about when and where they were being displayed. Doesn't mean we should be seeming to instruct the UK how to vote... that was awkward coming from some members of Congress.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

People hanging the Union Jack on a lamppost they don’t own or maintain being taken down is not banning flags though. People are free to fly them in on their own property.

I would argue we own council property. We pay for them to be maintained.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

I would argue we own council property. We pay for them to be maintained.

It's public property, but it's not yours or an individuals and therefore decisions on what should and shouldn't be hung from it doesn't come down to an individual's opinions or agendas.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It's public property, but it's not yours or an individuals and therefore decisions on what should and shouldn't be hung from it doesn't come down to an individual's opinions or agendas.

Come back and moan about it once they've stopped the fly posters. Havnt heard you moaning about that, ever.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

Come back and moan about it once they've stopped the fly posters. Havnt heard you moaning about that, ever.

That's quite a specific thing to be watching out for. There has never been, that I have seen, a conversation about fly posting on here.

Why must I share my opinion on fly poster-ing before sharing my opinion on people hanging flags from lampposts in order to make immigrants feel uncomfortable?

If it helps, I don't think people should deface public property in any vein, and I don't members of the public should hang flags from public property.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

That's quite a specific thing to be watching out for. There has never been, that I have seen, a conversation about fly posting on here.

Why must I share my opinion on fly poster-ing before sharing my opinion on people hanging flags from lampposts in order to make immigrants feel uncomfortable?

If it helps, I don't think people should deface public property in any vein, and I don't members of the public should hang flags from public property.

They hang them to make the government feel uncomfortable, not the immigrants