[Benjamin]

I know we have a thread about certain countries refusing to join. But this is different.

We also don’t have a Eurovision sub forum yet so putting this thread here for now.

For those that watch Eurovision, should’ve Israel be allowed to participate?

Edit: I was meant to add a poll and didn’t. Can a mod add a private poll for me please?

[Glenn.]

They’re actively committing genocide in Palestine. So no.

[Ammi]

…yes of course…the casualties of any country conflicts are the people who have no decisions in these things and to ban is banning artists/musicians and achieves nothing at all and makes no statement at all that makes any sense…

…ok, so a country is prevented from taking part…?…then what, what did that achieve…?…nothing/pointless…

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yes of course…the casualties of any country conflicts are the people who have no decisions in these things and to ban is banning artists/musicians and achieves nothing at all and makes no statement at all that makes any sense…

…ok, so a country is prevented from taking part…?…then what, what did that achieve…?…nothing/pointless…

I’m of the same stance. As long as there’s no political message in the song (from any country) the focus is it being a song contest.

[Cherie]

Was the UK banned while the Iraq war was going on, was Ireland penalised while the IRA was active, ordinary citizens have no control over their governments in these matters, its a song contest, its political enough without banning singers who might be marching against their government for all we know.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Was the UK banned while the Iraq war was going on, was Ireland penalised while the IRA was active, ordinary citizens have no control over their governments in these matters, its a song contest, its political enough without banning singers who might be marching against their government for all we know.

I have nothing to add to this excellent post.

[bots]

with conflict of 1 type or another breaking out all over the world, it's all virtue signalling now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course, they should be welcome

[Liam-]

No

[Livia]

Israel should frankly tell Eurovision to shove it up their a-hole.

Ireland was really successful in Eurovision around the same time the IRA was blowing the arms and legs off people, women, children, elderly veterans, and no one called for their expulsion. But this is about Israel and Ireland, as a country, is pretty anti-Semitic. Ireland sent a message of sympathy to the German Ambassador on the death of Adolf Hitler. Maybe they should sit this one out.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Was the UK banned while the Iraq war was going on, was Ireland penalised while the IRA was active, ordinary citizens have no control over their governments in these matters, its a song contest, its political enough without banning singers who might be marching against their government for all we know.

I agree,

The Israeli government have nothing to gain from the Eurovision Song Content, and it's not the civilians that are at fault, so shouldn't be punished.

I also believe as others have said, it's important there shouldn't be political messaging within the song - I just don't think it's on to give them a platform to spread a political message when their country is committing genocide - that but that doesn't mean I don't think the country's civilians should not get to perform in any capacity whatsoever.

[Beso]

I would refuse to take part, the judging will be unfair.

[Vanessa]

It's up to the organizers. But for me yes.
But glad Russia is out.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Was the UK banned while the Iraq war was going on, was Ireland penalised while the IRA was active, ordinary citizens have no control over their governments in these matters, its a song contest, its political enough without banning singers who might be marching against their government for all we know.

Yup agreed

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Israel should frankly tell Eurovision to shove it up their a-hole.

Ireland was really successful in Eurovision around the same time the IRA was blowing the arms and legs off people, women, children, elderly veterans, and no one called for their expulsion. But this is about Israel and Ireland, as a country, is pretty anti-Semitic. Ireland sent a message of sympathy to the German Ambassador on the death of Adolf Hitler. Maybe they should sit this one out.

Ireland is not anti-semitic. Being against what's happening in Israel/Palestine doesn't mean we're against Jewish people. Regarding what you posted about Hitler, that's a very out of context statement to make

This controversial act, one of the most controversial things de Valera ever did, has been regularly resurrected in the decades since, with some using it to suggest that he was pro-Nazi.

In fact, he was anything but and the story is a bit more complicated than some would have you believe, though you would be hard put to find anyone, then or since, who thought de Valera’s condolences were a good idea.

Context of course is key. Ireland was neutral in World War II (or, as it was termed here, 'the Emergency’), and although favourably disposed to the Allies and giving them considerable assistance behind the scenes, de Valera insisted on strict adherence to the formalities of neutrality.

So, while Allied airmen who crash-landed in Ireland were allowed to escape across the Border to Northern Ireland, while Germans were interned for the duration, this wasn’t admitted in public.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and...tler-analysis/

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ireland is not anti-semitic. Being against what's happening in Israel/Palestine doesn't mean we're against Jewish people. Regarding what you posted about Hitler, that's a very out of context statement to make

This controversial act, one of the most controversial things de Valera ever did, has been regularly resurrected in the decades since, with some using it to suggest that he was pro-Nazi.

In fact, he was anything but and the story is a bit more complicated than some would have you believe, though you would be hard put to find anyone, then or since, who thought de Valera’s condolences were a good idea.

Context of course is key. Ireland was neutral in World War II (or, as it was termed here, 'the Emergency’), and although favourably disposed to the Allies and giving them considerable assistance behind the scenes, de Valera insisted on strict adherence to the formalities of neutrality.

So, while Allied airmen who crash-landed in Ireland were allowed to escape across the Border to Northern Ireland, while Germans were interned for the duration, this wasn’t admitted in public.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and...tler-analysis/

I'm not sure adhering to the formalities of neutrality extended to sending condolences for a man who murdered 30 million people in concentration camps alone. I know that Ireland assisted the allies in some ways and lots of Irishmen joined the allies and fought the Nazis. That doesn't excuse some if the more questionable things Ireland's government did and said.

I believe Ireland does lean toward the anti-Semitic. It's my personal belief. There are many accounts from Irish Jews and their experiences of anti-Semitism. Israel thinks Ireland could be the most anti-Semitic country in the West. That's not to say I believe all the Irish people are all anti-Semites. I got nothing but good natured welcomes in from absolutely everyone I met Ireland, but then I don't really "look Jewish".

I've sat on this forum and read all kinds of comments about England and the UK and how awful it is and has been in the past, about the terrible things the government has said and done, including our quite shameful history with Ireland. I can't argue with it. That doesn't mean every English man and woman is complicit in the bad things my country has done, indeed, I acknowledge them and regret them. No country is perfect, including Ireland. But that doesn't mean the general population is responsible. We could both post lots of counter arguments that'd get us nowhere. My post was not a dig at you, nor the majority of the Irish public and I hope you can accept that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure adhering to the formalities of neutrality extended to sending condolences for a man who murdered 30 million people in concentration camps alone. I know that Ireland assisted the allies in some ways and lots of Irishmen joined the allies and fought the Nazis. That doesn't excuse some if the more questionable things Ireland's government did and said.

I believe Ireland does lean toward the anti-Semitic. It's my personal belief. There are many accounts from Irish Jews and their experiences of anti-Semitism. Israel thinks Ireland could be the most anti-Semitic country in the West. That's not to say I believe all the Irish people are all anti-Semites. I got nothing but good natured welcomes in from absolutely everyone I met Ireland, but then I don't really "look Jewish".

I've sat on this forum and read all kinds of comments about England and the UK and how awful it is and has been in the past, about the terrible things the government has said and done, including our quite shameful history with Ireland. I can't argue with it. That doesn't mean every English man and woman is complicit in the bad things my country has done, indeed, I acknowledge them and regret them. No country is perfect, including Ireland. But that doesn't mean the general population is responsible. We could both post lots of counter arguments that'd get us nowhere. My post was not a dig at you, nor the majority of the Irish public and I hope you can accept that.

Well my opinion on the actual question posed in the thread is I don't think Politics should be involved in the song contest at all nor should it be involved in football or sports in general so I do think Israel should be allowed to compete (not that I even watch anymore anyway)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well my opinion on the actual question posed in the thread is I don't think Politics should be involved in the song contest at all nor should it be involved in football or sports in general so I do think Israel should be allowed to compete (not that I even watch anymore anyway)

My opinion is the same as yours. Sadly, Eurovision is, and always has been, political. If it wasn't, Ukraine would never have won in 2022 with a quite ordinary song.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

My opinion is the same as yours. Sadly, Eurovision is, and always has been, political. If it wasn't, Ukraine would never have won in 2022 with a quite ordinary song.

True enough

[Crimson Dynamo]

An October 7 survivor trashed by the Eurovision juries won the popular vote last time out

Leftist elites hate Israel. The people beg to differ!

[arista]

Yes, they should be in it.


Then we get Politics in that boring event

[arista]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

They’re actively committing genocide in Palestine. So no.

No Glenn


The Singers are not doing that

[Niamh.]

@Benjamin added a Poll for you

[arista]

How Nice of you


Helping Ben

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

@Benjamin added a Poll for you

Thanks