[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

It came across as confused and heavy handed in the way that he delivered it and it was also heavily edited so that may have done him no favours, but the lad was right.

I think George should have been more specific... He should have differentiated between British and English.

British is a very wide umbrella and doesn't really have a specific culture. The Scottish are very different to the English for example, and the existence of the Empire has broadened that term even more of course. I feel many parts of the old Empire could rationally consider themselves British. I have no issue with that. Rishi Sunak or David Lammy are British. They are not English though.

English, and I fee this is what George was really meaning, is more specific. It is to be part of a cultural story that goes back generations... It is a unique modern expression of a combination of different influences from over hundreds of years. A British Indian has a different story to a British Englishman.

George is correct. Multiculturism (a neoliberal creation that only serves to allow them to move cheap taxable labour around faster) has served to dilute the English identity. It HAS created division and friction as special interest groups inevitably assert themselves. It HAS served to damage the core social fabric of this country. It HAS made us all demonstrably unsafer and understandably less secure. It has turned a high trust society into a low trust one.

When we have elected local representatives more interested in building an airport in Pakistan than dealing with the issues of their elected city, of course there is a problem. When the voice of the native population is suppressed in case it offends a given religion because many in that religion see killing as a justifiable response, of course we have a problem.

George has many of the right ideas but lacks the ability to express them.

TBC, I am pro slow controlled immigration and cultural integration, I am anti fast uncoltrolled immigration and multiculturalism. Don't come at me with any kind of 'racist' nonsense, I am not anti immigration.

Sunak was born in Southampton and even supports the Football club.

That's about as English as it gets.

And when it comes to Immigration there needs to be two things put in place in this country, and then I'm a happy man.

1. Don't encourage illegal immigration, which this country does do to some extent because they want workers who don't know their workers rights in this country. It's cheap labor basically.

And 2. Thorough background checks on anybody coming into the country. This is just common sense for every country to operate like this.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Sunak was born in Southampton and even supports the Football club.

That's about as English as it gets.

No, he is British. Supporting a football club does not make you English.

Look at it like this... When you look up his parents they are described as 'African born Punjabi'. Not African. No one claims that his parents were African. This would make him British African, not British Asian.

Sunak is British Punjabi.

This isn't me being 'racist', to be clear, I have a great deal of respect and affection for the Sikh community but his story is not the British English story.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And when it comes to Immigration there needs to be two things put in place in this country...

These are a good start.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No, he is British. Supporting a football club does not make you English.

Look at it like this... When you look up his parents they are described as 'African born Punjabi'. Not African. No one claims that his parents were African. This would make him British African, not British Asian.

Sunak is British Punjabi.

This isn't me being 'racist', to be clear, I have a great deal of respect and affection for the Sikh community but his story is not the British English story.



These are a good start.

I get what you're saying, and I think that most people would agree with your view tbf.

I just look at it through a really simple lense, if you were either born/grew up in the country, then you're that nationality imo.

Obviously I would respect anyone that would prefer to be seen as say British Punjabi, but I do deep down just see people as where they culturally grew up.

Edit... And thanks, I can't believe that we're not even trying to implement these ideas.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get what you're saying, and I think that most people would agree with your view tbf.

I just look at it through a really simple lense, if you were either born/grew up in the country, then you're that nationality imo.

Obviously I would respect anyone that would prefer to be seen as say British Punjabi, but I do deep down just see people as where they culturally grew up.

Edit... And thanks, I can't believe that we're not even trying to implement these ideas.

You can be legally English, which Sunak is ofc, but that is not the same as being ethnically English.

And that is really what people are talking about when they discuss cultural identity.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You can be legally English, which Sunak is ofc, but that is not the same as being ethnically English.

And that is really what people are talking about when they discuss cultural identity.

That's true tbf.