[Vanessa]

I don't think he sees himself as particularly smart. Hes just a normal bloke.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't think he sees himself as particularly smart. Hes just a normal bloke.

I believe that this is his manufactured fake persona... Humble quiet normal guy is his game.

But, we have seen it slip at points, but his supporters seem to slide right over those moments and ignore them.

I do think think he is playing well, but I also think his whole schtick is contrived and deeply manipulative.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I believe that this is his manufactured fake persona... Humble quiet normal guy is his game.

But, we have seen it slip at points, but his supporters seem to slide right over those moments and ignore them.

I do think think he is playing well, but I also think his whole schtick is contrived and deeply manipulative.

Of course hes an intelligent man. But he's more of an observer. Just not a loud kind of guy.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Of course hes an intelligent man. But he's more of an observer. Just not a loud kind of guy.

An observer and plotter and, I would say, manipulator.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by vesavius

An observer and plotter and, I would say, manipulator.

No thats caroline.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

No thats caroline.

No, caroline is too stupid to be that. Her game is too obvious and, frankly, stupid. It would have failed already if not for the saves she has had.

She plays her game right out in the open and everyone can see it. I don't like her, but she does not rely on manipulation of others at all. In fact, she is objectively terrible at that.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No, caroline is too stupid to be that. Her game is too obvious and, frankly, stupid. It would have failed already if not for the saves she has had.

She plays her game right out in the open and everyone can see it. I don't like her, but she does not rely on manipulation of others at all. In fact, she is objectively terrible at that.

She's far more clever and calculating than people think.
She's totally manipulating others in there. Trying to turn them against Richard, who se sees as a threat.
She wants to win by any means necessary