[emseateng2014]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't believe so much time and attention has been spent on Andrew, a man who has never been arrested, let alone charged.

What's being swept under the carpet while we gleefully watch a man's life destroyed on the strength of an unsubstantiated claim? What's being withheld while our attention is distracted by this nonsense?

imagine if this happened in the dark ages aka the mid evil times era like in game of thrones

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You said it didn't matter so I have no idea why you are responding

I was having a conversation with you on a forum we both been for 14 years
Stop acting like I’m doing something wrong

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

People get away with murder because there not enough evidence to convict that doesn’t mean they are not guilty

If there isn't enough evidence how do you know people get away with murder?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

If there isn't enough evidence how do you know people get away with murder?

Because knowing someone did it and providing someone did are two different things

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Because knowing someone did it and providing someone did are two different things

It's a good job you are a lawyer.
You know he did it? But you have no proof?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

It's a good job you are a lawyer.
You know he did it? But you have no proof?

Would you give 12 million to someone that said you had sex with them if you didn’t?

Maybe try and educate yourself on the police and justice system

[Maru]

Inside humiliated Andrew's new life in exile: From butlers and Downton-style splendour to a pokey cottage with a latch key, friends tell RICHARD KAY how disgraced royal will now live... and reveal who is 'propping him up'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/roy...ced-royal.html

21:21 EDT 31 Oct 2025, updated 21:21 EDT 31 Oct 2025

The homecoming will be unlike anything he has ever experienced. At one time staff at Royal Lodge, a house with a rich imperial heritage, would greet Prince Andrew in the saloon, Downton Abbey-style. There would be a valet to draw his bath and lay out his clothes, chefs to cook his supper and a butler to serve it. And through the large picture windows he could observe his team of gardeners at work on the 98 acres of parkland that surrounded this private paradise.

When he arrives at his new home – in weeks rather than months, I am told – on the King's Norfolk estate at Sandringham, most of those princely trappings, like his title itself, will have vanished.

He will be given a latch key, a rare possession for a member of the Royal Family for whom doors are always opened and closed. But he will not be entirely alone.

For despite the banishment of Andrew from Windsor, the loss of his beloved house and the removal of all his styles and honours, Charles is determined that his brother's punishment is not without humanity.

He does not expect Andrew to fend for himself. The fact is, at almost 66 and after an entire lifetime cosseted and pampered because of his royal birth, Andrew could not.

Nothing of his previous life will remain, except for his position as eighth in the line of succession to the throne. Removing it would be petty irrelevance.

So, there will still be some domestic help, but not on the wrap-around scale of Royal Lodge. Instead, his life will resemble that of his late father, Prince Philip, who himself moved to Sandringham in 2017 when he retired from public life.

There is, of course, one startling difference. It was Philip's decision to step down. Andrew's move is one of humiliation. It has been forced upon him. He may have acquiesced in the decision, but it was only because he didn't have any alternative.
It seems Andrew's life will resemble that of his late father, Prince Philip, who himself moved to Sandringham in 2017 when he retired from public life
Philip came to love the simpler life he discovered in Norfolk, from the solitude of the landscape to the absence of the formality and protocol he had come to loathe
Andrew will settle into his new life in weeks rather than months, Richard Kay is told. Pictured is Gardens House on the estate

His father came to love the simpler life he discovered in Norfolk, from the solitude of the landscape to the absence of the formality and protocol he had come to loathe. He found it liberating.

Philip was not entirely self-sufficient, but he would come and go as he pleased, eat what he wanted and when he wanted and see whomever he chose to at a time to suit him. He was also 95.

The question is can Andrew, who is 30 years younger than his father when he made the move, similarly adapt? And if he does, what on earth will he do?

In some ways Andrew may be better equipped to this new life than many would think. The pokey rooms of an estate cottage may have none of the grandeur of his Windsor mansion, but they would be a thread to his memories of earlier days when at sea with the Royal Navy and he was confined to ships' quarters.

For security reasons the property Andrew is destined to move to is for now being kept secret. But two have been ruled out – Wood Farm, where his father sank into joyful retirement, and York Cottage, excluded not just for its proximity to Sandringham House but also because of its name.

'How foolish it would be if his titles were torpedoed only for Andrew to be handed a house which carries the name of his former dukedom,' a courtier told me.

It might also be construed, some might think, as an act of cruelty. One royal figure told me that the move would happen 'as soon as possible and practicable'.

Other accommodation on the 20,000-acre estate includes Park House, birthplace of Princess Diana, but abandoned since 2020 when the charity which had run it as a hotel for the disabled closed its doors during the Covid pandemic.

There is also Gardens House, a six-bedroom Edwardian property once occupied by Sandringham's head gardener, but which is now available to the public as a holiday let.

The estate rents out a number of cottages in the villages around Sandringham, too, but they are mainly let to local people who work in the area. None would be suitable for a disgraced ex-prince.

In the end Sandringham was chosen by the King for his brother because it and Balmoral are the two privately-owned royal estates. This is why he refused to allow Andrew to remain at Windsor, even if he had agreed to move into a more modest home, which, of course, he did not.
Sandringham was chosen by the King for his brother because it and Balmoral are the two privately-owned royal estates, Richard Kay writes
Andrew could once observe his team of gardeners at work on the 98 acres of parkland that surrounded this private paradise at Royal Lodge. His life at Sandringham, pictured, will contain no such luxury

For all its grandiose history, Royal Lodge had become a virtual prison for Andrew. His only escape was riding out in the surrounding Windsor Great Park, where he was often photographed. Charles's profound wish is that far from becoming an object of curiosity, Andrew will be absorbed into the estate, where his riding and all his other day to day routines can be conducted in private. So, while I understand a property has been selected, it will not immediately be identified.

Some, but not all the staff who served him at Royal Lodge may be offered the opportunity to follow him to Norfolk. If they do go, how will they address him?

Stripped of his royal titles, the only courtesy he can surely expect to receive from those sent to work for him is being greeted as 'sir'. However, at Royal Lodge he had continued to be addressed as His Royal Highness, even though he was not permitted to use the honorific in public.

One thing is certain; he will no longer live in the style to which he has become so profoundly attached. It could be the rudest of awakenings.

For Andrew is entering unchartered royal waters. But is he to be deprived of every scrap of his royal birthright?

For example, Royal Lodge is largely furnished from the Royal Collection. How much of his familiar surroundings in furniture, pictures and other treasures will he be permitted to take to Norfolk?

More significantly, perhaps, will his ex-wife join him there? Officially Fergie, who has resumed using her maiden name, Sarah Ferguson, is said to be making her own private arrangements for her future accommodation.

So many of their subsequent troubles can be traced to the bond between the two.

Friends who know them well tell me that while once it was he who provided the moral support, it is now Sarah who is propping him up.

'The fact is he needs her,' says a regular visitor to Royal Lodge.

Their brutal downfall has left both at their lowest ebb. 'Sarah is going around blaming herself,' says one who knows her well. 'She keeps repeating, 'What if I hadn't done this, or hadn't done that.'

'Are we worried? Yes of course. But we are worried for Andrew too.' Both are well aware there is little public sympathy, however difficult their future turns out to be.

Should she not have found a home by the time of their departure from Royal Lodge, it is widely thought that Sarah would, temporarily at least, lodge with her ex-husband.
One thing is certain; he will no longer live in the style to which he has become so profoundly attached. It could be the rudest of awakenings, writes Richard Kay

There is certainly something piquant about the possibility of both Andrew and Sarah being sequestered in the sprawling Sandringham estate.

It was where Fergie was marooned in the years after her divorce and not allowed to join the Royal Family at Christmas time, instead being banished to a farmhouse where she was visited by her children and ex-husband. The estate was also where Andrew hosted Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell for what he famously described on Newsnight as a 'straightforward shooting weekend' in December 2000, when his friendship with the unsavoury financier was in its infancy.

Shooting may be one of the few pastimes left to him – though as I revealed last month the royals may charge him for the privilege.

And what about golf? At Windsor he has had access to the course he helped lay out there. At Sandringham there is only a mini-golf course open in the summer months for visitors.

Should he wish to play at the prestigious Royal West Norfolk, along the coast from Sandringham, there is no guarantee that the club, with its long links to the House of Windsor, would agree.

Adopting the life of the idle gentry may also do little to dispel the public outrage against the sense of unchecked privilege surrounding Andrew.

Memories of him bounding down that gangplank at Portsmouth with a rose clamped between his teeth, celebrated as a genuine returning hero from the Falklands war where he had flown at perilous risk as a decoy over the stricken destroyer HMS Sheffield, are long forgotten.

Golf and riding won't rebuild his shattered reputation, however.
Charles is determined that his brother's punishment is not without humanity

How much better it would be if he had the interests his father pursued. Philip spent his time on the estate painting, reading, writing letters, organising his papers and managing Sandringham's remarkable truffle harvest.

He also entertained. Andrew, never the most gregarious of company, does at least have a coterie of friends who have stuck by him.

But without the royal trappings he may no longer be the draw he once was.

One aspect of his life that might change is his ability to move around, even to travel. He has rarely been overseas since being 'sacked' by the late Queen from royal duties almost six years ago.

But as a mere citizen and no longer a prince he may feel entitled to come and go as he chooses. The question of whether he can afford to do so is another matter. The King is said to be meeting the cost of his new life but how much he will finance is not yet known.

Will there be cleaners and other domestic staff? Will he have to shop for himself? Who will put petrol in his car?

As for the move, there are doubts that it will be completed by Christmas. For one reason, Andrew's proximity to the rest of the Royal Family, who gather at Sandringham for the festive season, would almost certainly be viewed negatively.

Of all the late Queen's children, he was the happiest as a child at Sandringham. Yesterday, with royal doors slamming everywhere on the former prince, he may regard a future there, however bleak, as his only chance at redemption.

[arista]

Yes Maru
On UK TV already, guest J. Vine
on BBC1 9AM Sunday
Laura K., show, stated that he could see Andrew M.Windsor
in a USA Jail in the next 5 years.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Would you give 12 million to someone that said you had sex with them if you didn’t?

Maybe try and educate yourself on the police and justice system

It doesn't matter what I would do, the FACT is he has never been found guilty. Educate yourself on facts.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

It doesn't matter what I would do, the FACT is he has never been found guilty. Educate yourself on facts.

No I don’t need education

It’s been proven he lied in his tv interview about when he allegedly stopped talking to Epstein

When you have one lie in such a serious matter there is going to more

He stayed loyal to Epstein because he knew exactly what Andrew had done because Epstein arranged it

His family haven’t stripped him of everything because he is clearly innocent

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No I don’t need education

It’s been proven he lied in his tv interview about when he allegedly stopped talking to Epstein

When you have one lie in such a serious matter there is going to more

He stayed loyal to Epstein because he knew exactly what Andrew had done because Epstein arranged it

You need to understand what proven means.

You are not privy to any more information than the rest of us yet you continue to imagine you have all the facts. You don't. You're making it all up.

He's had his titles taken away, his life is all but destroyed. Let it go now. There are more important things going on.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

You need to understand what proven means.

You are not privy to any more information than the rest of us yet you continue to imagine you have all the facts. You don't. You're making it all up.

He's had his titles taken away, his life is all but destroyed. Let it go now. There are more important things going on.

He has destroyed his own life I don’t know why you have so much respect for a man that stayed loyal to a convicted serial sex attacker of under age girls

And I don’t have to let anything go

[Livia]

Done talking to you on this. You're still imagining you know what went on. You don't.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

Done talking to you on this. You're still imagining you know what went on. You don't.

You dont give 12 million to a woman who is telling lies.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You dont give 12 million to a woman who is telling lies.

Waste of money,
as sadly, she killed herself

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No I don’t need education

It’s been proven he lied in his tv interview about when he allegedly stopped talking to Epstein

When you have one lie in such a serious matter there is going to more

He stayed loyal to Epstein because he knew exactly what Andrew had done because Epstein arranged it

His family haven’t stripped him of everything because he is clearly innocent

Proven? Can you point me in the right direction so I can view his criminal record, please?

Everything you have typed is what you believe not facts!
Anyway I'm off to watch the mighty Rangers have a great day.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Livia

Done talking to you on this. You're still imagining you know what went on. You don't.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

Proven? Can you point me in the right direction so I can view his criminal record, please?

Everything you have typed is what you believe not facts!
Anyway I'm off to watch the mighty Rangers have a great day.

he hasn’t got a a criminal record yet because he hasn’t taken to court and his victim killed herself , yes killed herself while people like you defend a man that stayed loyal to a convicted rapist

[bots]

i do find it interesting the way the press are drip feeding the Andrew stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the intention is to try and bring down the monarchy. All the information has been known for years. Why drip feed stuff

[arista]

Originally Posted by bots

i do find it interesting the way the press are drip feeding the Andrew stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the intention is to try and bring down the monarchy. All the information has been known for years. Why drip feed stuff

So, best let the FBI
Try to Jail him in the USA

[Livia]

Virginia Guiffre was 17 when she supposedly slept with Andrew. Not 13 or 15. And she made an excellent living from it. She was supposedly paid Ł12 million for non-disclosure. Then she disclosed... Maybe Andrew could be eligible for a refund?

But my REAL question is, when will the heat go on to Mandleson? There are FAR more damning pIctures of him wandering around in a dressing gown with what he called Epstein's "interesting friends", far more damning emails. But he's the darling of the Labour Party...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

So, best let the FBI
Try to Jail him in the USA

Remember the American woman who killed the lad on a moped because she was driving on the wrong side of the road? And they whisked her back to the US claiming Diplomatic Immunity, even though she had none? Then they refused to hand her over for trial in the UK despite the victim's parents pleading? I'd treat this case the same as the Americans dealt with that.

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

So, best let the FBI
Try to Jail him in the USA

Andrew doesn't have a case to answer. No-one is accusing him of anything other than knowing Epstein. Also, he does not need to listen to congress or the fbi. Let them try and extradite him and see how far they get

[arista]

Yes
He could be a
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[emseateng2014]

Originally Posted by bots

i do find it interesting the way the press are drip feeding the Andrew stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the intention is to try and bring down the monarchy. All the information has been known for years. Why drip feed stuff

well people have been wanting to end the british monarchy for years and i guess centuries and most of the time there ideas and plans never always work or they do work but does not last long