[arista]

[arista]

[Nicky91]

yes why wouldn't you just end the war now, even if that means you have to give some territory to Russia?

there have been many losses on both sides now anyway, and tbh those Donetsk, Lugansk regional governments never have been pro-Kyiv government either, how are still pro-russian language usage, pro-russian culture


and i doubt Putin would want a WW3, if he can't even fully control Ukraine, i doubt he wants to fight all of the EU, all of NATO, then russia are surely doomed

[arista]

So far, Ukraine says no

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

So far, Ukraine says no

Kyiv says no more like


don't bother to ask the regional governments of Donetsk, Lugansk



Putin is kinda right about fascism existing within Ukraine's national government

[arista]

Nicky it is over 20%
of Ukraine they must now give up to Russia.

The Public of Ukraine say NO

[arista]

[Zelensky says Ukraine risks losing US as key partner
over White House plan to end Russia's war]


Tell Trump to Sod Off

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Nicky it is over 20%
of Ukraine they must now give up to Russia.

The Public of Ukraine say NO

yes so?

just end this war now, both sides suffered many losses, Ukraine also killed quite many russian civilians


Trump's 28 step plan is a good plan

[Livia]

Imagine if it had been suggested in 1944 that Netherlands give up 20% of its territory to Germany.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes so?

just end this war now, both sides suffered many losses, Ukraine also killed quite many russian civilians


Trump's 28 step plan is a good plan

The New Trump Deadline is next Thursday, 27/11/25

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Imagine if it had been suggested in 1944 that Netherlands give up 20% of its territory to Germany.

Great point Livia


Back then, they would say No

[Sticks]

Ukraine is just another Russian province.

Russia should also demand that Zelensky be handed over to be tried for high treason.

It seems now. that Trump believes that Putin has been in the right all along and has sided with his old pal.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Imagine if it had been suggested in 1944 that Netherlands give up 20% of its territory to Germany.

Unfortunately I don't think there's any prospect of Russia being defeated in a years time though. There is a prospect of Ukraine losing more territory

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Ukraine is just another Russian province.

Russia should also demand that Zelensky be handed over to be tried for high treason.

It seems now. that Trump believes that Putin has been in the right all along and has sided with his old pal.

Sticks you are so Wrong

Ukraine was part of Russia : NO MORE

[joeysteele]

This seems like it could be called many things but a deal FOR Ukraine it certainly is not.
It's more like a partial surrender to Putin and Russia.

Trump is pathetic.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Unfortunately I don't think there's any prospect of Russia being defeated in a years time though. There is a prospect of Ukraine losing more territory

Yeah, it was really a dig at Red Nicky.

[bots]

pride has to be swallowed to end a war and sometimes the path to that place defies normal logic.

There is an underlying problem though, if putin comes out of the war with more land, it will just embolden the russian leadership to take further action. We know what Putin's goal is. He hasn't changed from that position since he started the war. We can defeat Russia by making it bankrupt, thats the only way the west is going to win this

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, it was really a dig at Red Nicky.

Ahhh, I get it!

[emseateng2014]

how and when will the war between the 2 former ussr countries end

only time will tell

[arista]

[arista]

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by arista

Sticks you are so Wrong

Ukraine was part of Russia : NO MORE

It still is

Their declaration of independence and others saying they are independent is meaningless

I declare you Arista are king of Jupiter

I declare I am king of Saturn

Would everyone here on this board please acknowledge our kingships, which are just as valid as anyone saying that Ukraine is independent rather than just being a province of Mother Russia.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bots

pride has to be swallowed to end a war and sometimes the path to that place defies normal logic.

There is an underlying problem though, if putin comes out of the war with more land, it will just embolden the russian leadership to take further action. We know what Putin's goal is. He hasn't changed from that position since he started the war. We can defeat Russia by making it bankrupt, thats the only way the west is going to win this

doubt majority of the russian people care about gaining land though, way too many russian civilians lost their lives already, and i very much doubt Putin will be president of russia for much longer, he also isn't getting younger, and who knows what Putin's own family must be thinking about all this, i don't think his daughters would want to see their dad ending up assassinated at some point (which could happen tbh)

[arista]

"It still is"

No, Sticks
they are not part of Evil Russia anymore

[arista]

Yesterday
A reporter told President Trump
that Zelensky does not like the deal.

Trump said well, I guess they can keep on fighting?

(Of course, without USA weapon funding)